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New Pioneer mixer : DJM-700 (pg. 6)
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
Digital mixers = absolutely pointless if you are feeding an analog audio signal into it. |
Not at all.
The amount of noise that even very good analogue circuitry throughout a whole mixer adds is least comparable to the noise (error) introduced by decent sigma-delta sampling & quantisation.
Plus you need to have the signal in the digital domain for most of the effects... granted analogue filters sound a lot better, but decent analogue delay effects (that includes flanges, echoes etc) are bloody difficult (read as 'bloody expensive') to achieve successfully. So you might as well sample at the input rather than letting the signal build up noise through the analogue circuitry, then add even more when you sample it for the effects. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJChrisB
Dude, that is nothing. That is the retail price which is significantly above what Pioneer actually receives as income. Considering research, manufacturing, and distribution costs, that does not leave all that much of a bottom line. All I am saying is that all things considered, the price that Pioneer charges for a DJM-800 is justified. |
I think it leaves a huge bottom line and I know this as worked for the largest Dj and pro audio retailer in europe for 4 years.
considering that most pioneer products go for an average margin a of about 17% profit (at street price, not msrp that means thy are getting about £800,000 for only a thousand unit being sold.
The distribution costs are low (dealerships already in place, some have to pay for delivery, and they are shipped in huge quantities from abroad which again is very cheap in relative terms). Also on this mixer, a huge amount of the R&D has really already been done, because it's all from other models.
Soundwerks - I looked at the nuo4 but the 1st channel doesn't have a full send and return option, and I'm not convinced that the sound quality of ecler is up there with A&H, Vestax and Rane.
Jarvmeister - you forget one crucial thing: Marketing. I strongly believe the main reason Pioneer has the confidence to put out expensive products (in relation to quality) is that they spend more on marketing than any other DJ manufacturer. look at the amount of DJ's they sponsor (it's a seriously ridiculous amount). Open any Dance music mag in any given month and you will find at least one full page of ads by them. Look on the pioneer website at the 3D videos of their mixers - that is do over the top and expensive to make. It all tells you that you need them to be cutting edge or to be like this or that DJ etc.
This is the reason so many suckers will go out and buy (two) of whatever they are peddling. Just cos we all need the latest FX to make our music conform. God forbid we actually just mix two records together. |
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| Jarvmeister |
| quote: | Originally posted by Progress Ent.
It's funny how I when I follow up your smart ass "and that's why you don't work for Pioneer" response, I again get a smart ass response.....somehow I knew that was coming.... |
I gave you a smart ass remark because you came over all 'get me - I work for a massive company, I know more about this than you do'.
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I just happen to believe what I said is absolutely true, because I too work in a rapidly expanding electronics industry and company. We developed our product and timed it's release to hit at just the right time. Then we expanded our product range once we'd got the brand recognised, having built the foundations.
It's such a simple concept, we use it, Pioneer use it and I'm pretty sure other companies use it too, even yours!
It's tried and tested. It works. So why are we bitching about it?!?!
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| RJT |
$1300?
No ing way - I wouldn't even pay that for an 800. |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
$1300?
No ing way - I wouldn't even pay that for an 800. |
indeed.
There's only so far I'm going to allow a company like Pioneer to put it in me, and beyond that - oh let's just call it friction point - it's rape. |
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| Soundwerks |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Soundwerks - I looked at the nuo4 but the 1st channel doesn't have a full send and return option, and I'm not convinced that the sound quality of ecler is up there with A&H, Vestax and Rane.
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Every channel has an FX SEND knob with PRE/POST settings. No return tho :( Something theyre working on!:whip: But yes, the sound quality is up there with A&H and RANE (and much better than Vestax). Just ask around. ;) |
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| DJ RANN |
The thing is, Vestax's top level mixers have always and still do, Rock.
Also for scratching vestax is still the weapon of choice - they really take a kicking.
Either the CX or PMC 500 are lovely mixers - solid build and well laid out, but again very expensive £1000+ and the CX is only 3ch and the 500 only has a 2 band eq (WTF?).
I've got a PCV275 which overall I'm happy with but sound quality although good is not amazing and I miss not having and extra channel and curve control on the fader.
The previous Vestax (made in Japan) mixers PMC 50/50a/etc were the absolute shizzle, but at that time there was a much smaller market for really high end mixers and not many home users really spend £1000+ on mixers unless you were a pro.
The problem the 700 will have is that the 800 has been out for little while now and the price has begun to drop. The 700 will be at full whack so the difference in price between the two will be tiny. |
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| Zild |
| IMO Ecler makes a better scratch mixer than Vestax. Not just scratch mixers either all of their mixers are extremely solid. |
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| adx |
I own a 707... thats quickly becoming a POS. My venture into Proggy Electro House is in desperate need of some rotary action.
They need to throw in the rotary kit and sell it for $1299. It would be more worthwhile. Those buying 600s are throwing em in anyways. Their linear fades suck... and have known to fail prematurely.
If I had the dough, no doubt I would pick up the 800. But since the Empath rotary is over $300 cheaper than the 700, WITH ROTARY.. I might just go that route.
Maybe even the Ecler might make its way... |
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| brandoc0mmand0 |
Just picked up this DJM-700 mixer..
Amazing!! |
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| leph555 |
| quote: | Originally posted by brandoc0mmand0
Just picked up this DJM-700 mixer..
Amazing!! |
pics or stfu
:) |
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| CReddick |
I'm not going to read through 6 pages of posts to see if this is a repost or not..
but it doesn't seem any different than the 600... other than a slight facelift. = total waste of time |
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