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Ontario Election 2007: (Vote October 10th)
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| djbruuen |
In regards to the 'voting' question, i'd like to see where everyone stand on this debate.
hopefully people take it seriously and will make an informed vote.
The big issue is the education system, and i'm torn on this. As a catholic, i strongly believe in having the catholic education system. In theory, i'm in favour of other dominant religions within ontario(ie. muslim, jewish) to be granted funding, but this could be dangerous in cuts to our current education systems. So i'm torn on who to vote for on those issues, so may still need time to decide.
Plz don't bother voting just for the hell of it. Know the facts!
i purposely won't put 'undecided' just don't vote if thats the case until you decide. |
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| EvilTree |
Voting conservatives.
The catholic education system thing isn't a big point for me, but I am rather annoyed at McGuinty's f*ckery of Ontario for last 4 years in general.
Plus with a candidate named John Tory, you just gotta vote Conservative ;) (you can't make that up!) |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
rather annoyed at McGuinty's ******y of Ontario |
McGuinty is a flat-out lier who will say anything to get votes.
McGuinty has made many significant promises and guarantees that he and his party have not kept (each with their own weak excuse).
Ontario Liberals have manipulated the province's financial position in an attempt to discredit the framework they were provided with (by previous governments) - a framework which has enabled the province to fiscally prosper.
McGuinty's Liberals has given millions of dollars to Liberal supporters via "over-funded" grants (i.e. a cricket league [run by Liberal party funders] getting $1 million vs. the $150k they asked for) or via un-scrutinized funding programs (slush funds).
However I think the most important reason people should vote for another party is because the Liberals have stood for little, accomplished even less and not engineered the province for continued success. The Liberal party is a party that in effectual terms have done nothing, made no hard decisions and refused to "step-up" and set a cohesive direction for Ontario. Under the Liberals Ontario has stagnated from a government, policy and reform perspective.
Ontario needs a party that can lead progress, execute on a vision and move Ontario forward. |
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| King Luis |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Voting conservatives.
The catholic education system thing isn't a big point for me, but I am rather annoyed at McGuinty's ******y of Ontario for last 4 years in general. |
very true.
i'm tired of his crap.
the school thing for me is a load of crap. its not a big issue.
in the past there are to many things said and nothing was done. i'm voting for the guy who's looks like he knows what he means the most. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
The school thing probably doesn't mean much to many on here because you don't have children attending school and you probably don't pay education taxes.
The idea of my tax dollars having to support a public school system and all religous school systems....especially when I am a non-religous individual doesn't seem right. Not to mention the catholic school system can already pick and choose who they want attending their schools....if a child is a bad egg then they can just send him/her off to the public system to take care of.
In all good concious I cannot vote for any party that is willing to take my tax dollars and give them to religous groups.
I think I may decline to vote.....I will take the time to go and get my ballot and then advise them that I am declining to vote....that way it will be noted properly.....which is better then just not showing up. |
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| djbruuen |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
The idea of my tax dollars having to support a public school system and all religous school systems....especially when I am a non-religous individual doesn't seem right. Not to mention the catholic school system can already pick and choose who they want attending their schools....if a child is a bad egg then they can just send him/her off to the public system to take care of. |
i'm pretty sure you have the right to chose where your tax dollars go (either public or catholic) and that would be a misconception that all the bad kids get shipped off to public schools. Through my dealing, some of the worst kids stayed around from k-8 in catholic. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by djbruuen
i'm pretty sure you have the right to chose where your tax dollars go (either public or catholic) and that would be a misconception that all the bad kids get shipped off to public schools. Through my dealing, some of the worst kids stayed around from k-8 in catholic. |
the kids may stay around but there is nothing to stop the catholic school board from shipping them off to the public school board.
If the government is going to support the public school system adn religous school systems then funding is going to be coming from somewhere....and I don't think the churches are going to be chipping off any pieces of gold to help support the schools.....its going to be tax payers making their donation. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by djbruuen
i'm pretty sure you have the right to chose where your tax dollars go (either public or catholic) |
At present you can choose where to direct the education part of your property taxes. This is not to say, however, that you are only supporting the school system you choose as not all of the funding for the school boards come from property tas. Moreover, it is highly unlikely that the various religious schools will receive enough money from property taxes so they will require even more from the provincial budgets.
Personally, despite being catholic, I would love to see all public funding for all religious education pulled. Religion is a personal matter, not a civil matter. Too bad the BNA act guarentees funding for the seperate school board. |
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| Abercrombie |
keeping it short...
I'm leaning for Conservatives for the first time. They have a decent guy running in Aurora.
However... I don't like the Conservatives stand on education funding. Doesn't conservative mean a little about keeping things the way they are? It seems to me that the Conservatives took their stand just to be against the Liberals, rather than being 'conservative' about the topic. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
However... I don't like the Conservatives stand on education funding. Doesn't conservative mean a little about keeping things the way they are? It seems to me that the Conservatives took their stand just to be against the Liberals, rather than being 'conservative' about the topic. |
AJ, ideologically... conservativism is an ideology seeking progressive change at a moderated pace. The Conservative/Progressive Conservative parties in this country are not actually conservative parties... they are liberal parties (liberalism seeks a minimal role for government and laise fair economy). The Liberal party is a conservative party (ideologically). |
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| MarkT |
Liberal.
not because I love McGuinty, since he's done a whole lot of nothing...but because George Smitherman is our MPP.
I will be voting for the status quo voting system too ('first past the gate'). I don't care for the mixed system being proposed and don't care to get into it here. Suffice to say, there are obvious pros and cons to each system, which I've weighed in my decision (just as I have in deciding to vote Liberal). |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
McGuinty is a flat-out lier who will say anything to get votes.
McGuinty has made many significant promises and guarantees that he and his party have not kept (each with their own weak excuse).
Ontario Liberals have manipulated the province's financial position in an attempt to discredit the framework they were provided with (by previous governments) - a framework which has enabled the province to fiscally prosper.
McGuinty's Liberals has given millions of dollars to Liberal supporters via "over-funded" grants (i.e. a cricket league [run by Liberal party funders] getting $1 million vs. the $150k they asked for) or via un-scrutinized funding programs (slush funds).
However I think the most important reason people should vote for another party is because the Liberals have stood for little, accomplished even less and not engineered the province for continued success. The Liberal party is a party that in effectual terms have done nothing, made no hard decisions and refused to "step-up" and set a cohesive direction for Ontario. Under the Liberals Ontario has stagnated from a government, policy and reform perspective.
Ontario needs a party that can lead progress, execute on a vision and move Ontario forward. |
Very Well Said !!!! |
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