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Ontario Election 2007: (Vote October 10th) (pg. 15)
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Are you suggesting that Tories were going to win if this controversy was avoided? Not a chance! Therefore, the main reasons for their defeat are to be found elsewhere ... |
how do you figure?
so far, you've failed to give conclusive evidence, other than that Conservatives are bad |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
the reason is the same that Harper didn't win a majority in the federal election...ty leadership and focusing too much on attacking the sitting gov't and not enough on how they will be different.
Tory was a lame duck leader. He couldn't prevent a majority when even Liberal supporters (like myself) were fed up with McGuinty (I still voted Liberal, because of my MPP).
Harper should have obliterated the Liberals after the scandals, but did not and has no chance in hell of winning a majority in the next election (if the CPC wins again, that is).
Instead of crying about how awful McGuinty has been, how awful the next four years will be...ask your party why they choose such incompetent, unappealing leaders.
Tory allowed what SHOULD have been a relatively minor issue turn into a resounding Liberal majority. Harper has failed to sway Canadians, despite the Liberal scandals and despite ongoing infighting.
maybe before throwing stones at their opposition, the federal and provincial conservatives need to get their own respective acts together and learn how to APPEAL to voters.
unless we get to listen to 4 more years of how the liberal media ruins everything :rolleyes: |
Well said. I don't think the Conservaties know how to run a campaign unless it focuses on attacking other parties. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
how do you figure?
so far, you've failed to give conclusive evidence, other than that Conservatives are bad |
Just do yourself a favour and look up some election outlooks and polls, and you'd see at the closest a Liberal minority at best for PC.
There's no conclusive evidence even for you to back your point other than speculations. Your reasoning suggests that bitter McGuinty lies (for example, as Globe & Mail put it, "Mr. McGuinty was viewed as vulnerable for breaking a number of pledges he had made during the 2003 campaign, including the $2.6-billion annual health premium he introduced in 2004 after promising not to raise taxes." = among other lies) are far sweeter than giving a smaller funding package for religious schools. Doesnt even make sense, does it? |
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| Magnetonium |
MarkT gave some good reasons for why PC Party was very fishy, I have to say. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Just do yourself a favour and look up some election outlooks and polls, and you'd see at the closest a Liberal minority at best for PC.
There's no conclusive evidence even for you to back your point other than speculations. Your reasoning suggests that bitter McGuinty lies (for example, as Globe & Mail put it, "Mr. McGuinty was viewed as vulnerable for breaking a number of pledges he had made during the 2003 campaign, including the $2.6-billion annual health premium he introduced in 2004 after promising not to raise taxes." = among other lies) are far sweeter than giving a smaller funding package for religious schools. Doesnt even make sense, does it? |
You've failed to provide reasoning for your argument other than speculations either.
Kinda convenient for you to use polls as evidence and dismiss it when it doesn't suit you.
I dunno, but so far, all the political analysts have said that religious school issue was the key reason why John Tory campaign failed, and that's been the story pretty much the entire election campaign. Are you claming to be smarter than all these political analysts? |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
You've failed to provide reasoning for your argument other than speculations either.
Kinda convenient for you to use polls as evidence and dismiss it when it doesn't suit you.
I dunno, but so far, all the political analysts have said that religious school issue was the key reason why John Tory campaign failed, and that's been the story pretty much the entire election campaign. Are you claming to be smarter than all these political analysts? |
Seriously, how come John Tory wasnt in the lead before that controversy? Care to elaborate?
Its a pretty easy reasoning for me: McGuinty alone rips us off by 2.6 billion dollars in new taxes EVERY YEAR since he came around just on the health care premium alone, and he didnt get burned for it (look at elections results), while Tory's plan for one-time 400 million dollars in funding for faith-based schools (that he then changed his mind to put it to public vote) gets him burned? Where's the logic? I find it hard to believe that Ontario is that paranoid on religion, considering the many people still associate themselves with religious organizations and even attend sunday masses.
There was a complete disregard of Tory for his funding election campaign of using the budget surplus money also for critical areas that are starving for support like more funds for children with autism, that Liberals disregard. While Liberals are sitting pretty with huge budget surplus, they're still not cutting taxes down, nor helping Ontarians in need. Stupid, very stupid. The next stupidest thing to Canadian electing Harper - the man who opposes many of our Canadian values (like stand on same-sex issues).
Though I still dont support either Tories nor McGuinties. Nor NDP (bandwagon jumpers, who also claim to support things other parties do - as they also bragged about supporting autistic children).
The faith-based school funding issue only dropped Tories by 6 points to 28 percent, in a province where they havent had a lead in a long long time, according to An Ipsos-Reid survey - so the faith-based school issue, it appears, is not the reason for that:
http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/story.html?id=1be18b10-bd5b-42cb-a33e-17275bd796a2
Anne Dawson, Chief Political Correspondent, CanWest News Service
OTTAWA - A new poll suggests support for the Conservatives has plunged in Ontario - the key battleground in this federal election and the province where Conservatives most need to make gains. The Tories are now 19 percentage points behind the Liberals.
"An Ipsos-Reid survey conducted for CanWest News Service over the weekend suggests the Liberals are at 47 per cent support in Ontario- up six points from a week ago - and the Conservatives are down six points from the same period, at 28 per cent. "
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| exstasie |
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Ontario voter turnout a record low
Last Updated: Thursday, October 11, 2007 | 6:55 AM ET
CBC News
The percentage of eligible voters casting ballots in Wednesday's Ontario election hit an all-time low despite changes introduced in an effort to boost turnout.
Only 52.6 per cent of eligible voters cast a ballot, or 4.4 million of 8.4 million possible voters, according to numbers released by Elections Ontario at 6:30 a.m. ET Thursday, when 99.8 per cent of polls had been counted.
The turnout was worse than a previous record low of 54.7 per cent set in 1923. It also fell below the 2003 voter turnout of 56.9 per cent.
Legislation introduced by the previous Liberal government since the 2003 election to boost declining turnout in recent elections did not seem to have the desired effect.
Those changes included:
Setting a fixed election date.
Extending the hours and number of days of advanced voting.
Boosting the number of polling stations.
Extending polling by one hour on election day.
However, there was a significant gain in voting at advance polls. Elections Ontario reported that 451,949 electors voted at the advance polls this year, up from 356,396 in 2003. |
Looks like the people just don't care. Don't understand how, but whatever. I hate this country sometimes haha.
What the Consevatives need is true right wing leader. Not some wishy washy leader who can't stick to the party's values! |
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| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
unless we get to listen to 4 more years of how the liberal media ruins everything :rolleyes: |
yeah yeah yeah like the liberals don't bash pc :rolleyes:
i don't get why people would vote for a liar, but what else is new lol |
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| Jeff Button |
I didn't vote, because all of them suck.
(and it was raining outside and didn't want to ruin my hair). |
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| mr. poopyhead |
| 47.4% of ontarians have no right to complain for the next 4 years... strangely, the biggest complainers i've encountered are usually the people who don't vote... |
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| StereoPrincess |
yes, my polling station was DEAD. I was the only one in there at 6 p.m. perfect time after work and no one was there.
i think it had to do with the rain.
lol. pretty funny if you ask me. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| we had one set up right in the lobby of my building, so convenient |
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