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Ontario Election 2007: (Vote October 10th) (pg. 5)
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| Jayx1 |
Obviously voting Conservative.
What the Liberals have done:
1) Broke their promise not to raise taxes by giving us the largest tax increase in Ontario history. Taxes revenues in Ontario have increased 30% in 4 years. Three times the rate of inflation. Oh yeah, and the health tax came into effect the same day that chiropratic procedures and eye exams were delisted!
2) City of Toronto Act. You can thank Mcguinty for the tax grabs that are about to happen at city hall. Not to mention the new taxes that city hall hasnt put forth yet. Oh yeah, and the sidewalk tax...Thanks Dalton! You're the best!
3) Caledonia: Who in their right mind would let 100s of people continuously break the law? Mcguinty thats who! Not only that, but he bought the land in dispute on top of everything! But hey, whats taxpayer money when youve just given ontarians that nifty health tax right?
4) Electricity Rates: He promised not to raise them, and he did the VERY NEXT DAY AFTER HE WAS ELECTED... need i say more?
5) Funding Scandal: $1 million to a cricket organization who didnt even ask for the money? Amongst others? Talk about dirty corruption! Why has everyone already forgotten about Ontario's Adscam?
6) Smoking Laws: A promise he actually did keep. I used to make a good living off the nightlife industry until this passed. Now there are fewer nights during the week that clubs are open, fewer special events, and less money going around. The good part at least is that it forced me to open a new business for myself.
What The Conservatives are promising:
Funding for religious schools: BAD IDEA... seriously it is... But I also believe that Catholic boards should cease to exist as well. Too bad about that pesky BNA act. Considering there are 650,000 kids in Catholic schools and this will apparently only add funding to 50,000 kids, im not that worried about it. What id like to see though is a change in the consitution so we can put an end to this nonsense. Harper, you listening?
Eliminating the Health Tax: We have a surplus which means they are overtaxing us. This health tax needs to go NOW!
Funding for Austistic Kids: I know a couple of them that are neglected past age 6. They definately need the $75 million Tory is promising.
Reduction in Business Taxes: Who employs Ontario? Mostly small and medium sized business. Give them a break and they will employ more. With the parity dollar, our inefficiency and over taxation is glaring. We need to compete with low taxation if we want to retain jobs and working capital in Canada. If you disagree, i suggest researching who Ireland became Europe's silicon valley.
Yes, The conservative platform isnt perfect... but i trust John Tory and i agree with a lot of what he has to say. Furthermore, Dalton's record speaks for itself. I almost choked on my breakfast the other morning when i read in the paper that Dalton promised yet again that "he wont raise taxes"
Oh and as for Mixed Member Proportional voting.... great idea if you want us to be one step closer to a maoist style parliament where the chairman decides who serves as representatives. NO THANKS! The voting system does need to change... BUT NOT LIKE THIS. |
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| dEsidEL |
lol nice.. what bout the NDP platform?
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
lol nice.. what bout the NDP platform?
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do they even have a platform? looks like they run around with head cut off most of the time (ok. so that's just my bias talking) :p |
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| djbruuen |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
do they even have a platform? looks like they run around with head cut off most of the time (ok. so that's just my bias talking) :p |
seriously.
There platform is bad mouthing the liberals without offering any solution. In the past (federal or provincial) i've usually considered the NDP and even the Green in last federal election. But this time around, NDP and Green aren't doing anything to sway my vote. So it looks like conservative will get mine. At least Tory is a good public speaker, and presents his case well. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by djbruuen
seriously.
There platform is bad mouthing the liberals without offering any solution. In the past (federal or provincial) i've usually considered the NDP and even the Green in last federal election. But this time around, NDP and Green aren't doing anything to sway my vote. So it looks like conservative will get mine. At least Tory is a good public speaker, and presents his case well. |
The conservatives are the worst offenders when it comes to bad mouthing....every radio and tv ad I see is just bad mouthing and not even touching on what they will do. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
The conservatives are the worst offenders when it comes to bad mouthing....every radio and tv ad I see is just bad mouthing and not even touching on what they will do. |
The one thing that's killing me (as a political scientist) is how John Tory keeps stressing leadership. John has completely misread the electorate in this election. He has hitched his wagon to the religious school funding issue thinking that it would get him the votes of a number of religious minority groups but not be important enough to anyone outside of those groups that they would vote against it. Now the electorate has clearly stated they are not willing to vote for the PCs because of the religious schools issue but he can't turn his back on it because he's made such an issue of it. This has to be either the worst misread of an issue (which really wasn't an issue until he made it one) by a candidate or the best example of effective spin by the opposing candidate I've ever seen. Either way, his mistep on this policy and making it a key in his platform shows that he's out of touch... therefore not fit to lead. Which is a shame because if not for this one issue, I would have voted for the PC... and I'm not alone. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
lol nice.. what bout the NDP platform?
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Socialist... The end... |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
The one thing that's killing me (as a political scientist) is how John Tory keeps stressing leadership. John has completely misread the electorate in this election. He has hitched his wagon to the religious school funding issue thinking that it would get him the votes of a number of religious minority groups but not be important enough to anyone outside of those groups that they would vote against it. Now the electorate has clearly stated they are not willing to vote for the PCs because of the religious schools issue but he can't turn his back on it because he's made such an issue of it. This has to be either the worst misread of an issue (which really wasn't an issue until he made it one) by a candidate or the best example of effective spin by the opposing candidate I've ever seen. Either way, his mistep on this policy and making it a key in his platform shows that he's out of touch... therefore not fit to lead. Which is a shame because if not for this one issue, I would have voted for the PC... and I'm not alone. |
The shame is that you wont vote for tory because of this one issue. Its a very MINOR issue. And much less than the BS mcguinty has, and will put us through.
Tory has a lot to offer. No candidate is perfect and can please everyone. SO you have to pick the best of the lot. And thats what im doing even though i dont support the religious school idea. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
The shame is that you wont vote for tory because of this one issue. Its a very MINOR issue. And much less than the BS mcguinty has, and will put us through.
Tory has a lot to offer. No candidate is perfect and can please everyone. SO you have to pick the best of the lot. And thats what im doing even though i dont support the religious school idea. |
The real shame is that you would be so arrogant as to try to tell someone else what is or is not an issue worth basing their decision on. What makes you think that just because you deem something to be unimportant it should be disregarded by others. I am a firm believer in the seperation of church and state. I do not believe that there should be any state funding for any religious program or education in any way or form EVER. I detest that the Roman Catholic faith (my faith incidently) receives funding for religiously segragated education, however, given that that would take a constitutional ammendment to change I understand that it is outside of the pervey of the provincial goverment. That said, I certainly do not think the proper way to address such an aggregious wrong is to expand said wrong. There should be no funding from state coffers for religious anything and I am unwilling to support any party that would offer it, moreover, I'm willing to vote for a party I'd rather not see in power just to ensure that does not happen. As far as I'm concerned the person who has the best chance of ensuring that funding for religiously segragated schoold does not happen is the best candidate.
How dare you presume to tell someone how to vote. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
And thats what im doing even though i dont support the religious school idea. |
ditto. dont support this bloody idea either, but im definitely voting conservative again. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
The shame is that you wont vote for tory because of this one issue. Its a very MINOR issue. And much less than the BS mcguinty has, and will put us through.
Tory has a lot to offer. No candidate is perfect and can please everyone. SO you have to pick the best of the lot. And thats what im doing even though i dont support the religious school idea. |
It may be a "very MINOR issue" to you, but the separation of church and state is a very MAJOR issue to others, including me.
once again, you speak as if what you say is FACT rather that YOUR OPINION and offer little support to why you hold that position.
You want a religious education for your kids...you can pay for it, IMHO. If you can't afford to send your kids to the religious or private school of your choice, that's not my and other taxpayers problem. Kids should be receiving their religious education from their respective religious organization in the first place.
Despite being raised Catholic and spending most of my pre-university days enrolled in Catholic schools, I too would support any motion to remove public funding from Catholic school boards (if it was that easy a matter). |
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| DigiNut |
Guys, keep in mind that neither McGuinty nor Tory are really pushing for the "separation of church and state".
McGuinty is pushing for status quo (only the Catholic schools get government funding). Tory is pushing for equity (all schools get it). If I had to pick one, I'd say that Tory's position is the lesser of two evils. At least it gets rid of the discrimination/double-standard that's been accepted for so long.
I'd also prefer to see all religious school funding thrown out, but be realistic, you all know that no party could ever get elected on such a platform. |
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