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Ontario Election 2007: (Vote October 10th) (pg. 4)
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
No, the Liberals are conservative and the Conservatives are liberal. See the difference. Of course the NDP are pinko commie bastards (but not as pinko-commie as the Marxist-Leninists... who are actually more idealistic hippies that need to take a shower and get a job then anything else). |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Haha, that's pretty funny.
The PC (and CPC) are fiscal liberals and social conservatives. Actually, I'd say that the PC are social moderates, although CPC is a bit right of center.
The Liberal party is fiscally liberal - the fed Libs are fairly moderate fiscally (if you don't count advertising kickbacks as "spending"), and McGuinty Libs are pure tax-and-spend. And both are a fair bit left of center in social policy.
Say the word "Liberal" to any European and they'll think: lower taxes, more liberties, free speech, etc. The PC and CPC are the closest parties in Ontario/Canada to this original meaning of "liberal", although obviously not perfect.
Nevertheless, in North America it is conventional to use the terms liberal and conservative to describe left- and right-wing ideologies, respectively. I realize this is backwards, but it only confuses people if you reject those definitions and use the classical ones. |
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| Vogon |
Picked Liberal. Only because the Federal Goverment is Conservative.
Ontario does better when the Federal Party is different from the Provincial party.. |
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| DigiNut |
There's actually a sign up one one of the streets near here for a Freedom Party candidate. At first I thought it was a PC sign, they look almost the same.
Anyway, this province has been steadily swirling down the ter over the past two terms, and I don't think we can afford the luxury of voting for a fringe party, even if they seem to have good ideas. It's not just about the platform, either; from what I've seen of the FP candidates so far, they just aren't very good at campaigning, and I don't believe that they would have enough experience to get anything done even if they did win a vote.
8 years ago I might have had some fun and voted for the FP. Sadly, these days we're forced into bloc voting if we want to see any real results. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Nevertheless, in North America it is conventional to use the terms liberal and conservative to describe left- and right-wing ideologies, respectively. I realize this is backwards, but it only confuses people if you reject those definitions and use the classical ones. |
It does confuse people, but only because they don't know... pandering to ignorance will not help anyone; therefore, I refuse to do it. |
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| loca |
Most of the people in my area are voting Conservative... tired of McGuinty's "let's promise a lot and do nothing" policies. Not to mention most of them are students, and after the lovely fee increase McGuinty threw out, none of the students i know want to vote for him again.
(Besides, our candidate's name is John Tory lol... how can you not vote for the man with a name like that!!) |
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| Abercrombie |
I... once again... have a chance to vote for this attention whore;
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| MarkT |
anyone else see a pattern?
Just as with Harper's CPC, people voted Conservative not so much because they loved Harper and/or the CPC...but because of a backlash against the Liberals.
Do people love John Tory or the provincial Conservatives? maybe they don't dislike them, but I see their support more as a backlash against McGuinty then I see it as a ringing endorsement of the provincial Conservative party.
it's somewhat sad when people have to vote against someone (McGuinty) rather than for someone. |
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| loca |
well i would vote conservative anyways, not because i don't like mcguinty but because i'm more conservative inclined than liberal. i don't agree with everything the tories do or want but i do agree with more of their ideas than the libs or ndp.
i think most people are just tired of the promises the liberal govt made and didn't keep so they are turning to another party hoping this one might actually stick to something. i really don't blame them. |
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| MarkT |
^^^ I should clarrify...I don't blame people for that either. It's a valid reason for making their choice.
my thoughts are more a commentary on the sad state of affairs in politics when no one is truly appealing (no one with a chance to actually win) and people are forced to choose between the lesser of their perceived evils. |
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| loca |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
^^^ I should clarrify...I don't blame people for that either. It's a valid reason for making their choice.
my thoughts are more a commentary on the sad state of affairs in politics when no one is truly appealing (no one with a chance to actually win) and people are forced to choose between the lesser of their perceived evils. |
My bad, i didn't understand what you meant, sorry:(. I agree with you though, it is quite sad to see it come to that. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by loca
My bad, i didn't understand what you meant, sorry:(. I agree with you though, it is quite sad to see it come to that. |
someone is posting more today than for a whole year :D |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
my thoughts are more a commentary on the sad state of affairs in politics when no one is truly appealing (no one with a chance to actually win) and people are forced to choose between the lesser of their perceived evils. |
In other news, the Japanese have invaded Pearl Harbour! |
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