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Ontario Election 2007: (Vote October 10th) (pg. 12)
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by musicsnob_NOT
Well said. |
Just wait until the conservatives come to power, things will continue as before. Both are liars. Its just conservatives are better at it than liberals.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/s...83bd6ce&k=70147
"Here's the truth: we're all liars
Uttering a falsehood is not the same as making a statement that later turns out to be untrue"
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Dalton McGuinty is a big, fat liar, we are assured, because he promised no new taxes in the fall campaign of 2003 and went on to impose one, as premier, eight months later.
There were more "lies" than that, according to the Ministry of Truth, but that was the big whopper.
John Tory, meanwhile, campaigned on funding faith-based schools with public money then changed his mind, oh, maybe, eight minutes later.
The newspapers had the Conservative leader backing away, back-tracking, flip-flopping or doing a U-turn, but not fibbing.
What's good for Red is surely good for Blue. Is Mr. Tory not a big, fat liar, too? Oh, no. He's an honourable democrat and a good listener.
He said one thing one day, a very different thing the next. The Conservative leader tried to pass off his proposal for a free-vote in the legislature as a refinement of his position, based on feedback from voters.
Sure it was. Because only Liberals lie. Only Liberals lie because, as residents of the mushy ideological middle, they are unprincipled. They hold to nothing.
Conservatives don't lie because they hold firm to traditional values. Sure they do. Just ask Belinda Stronach.
The NDP never lie because "working families" would hear about it and get angry and disillusioned, or worse, become leisure families. And that would be bad.
The Green party, of course, never lies because that would be bad for the cause of cleaner air, purer water and wind power. The MMP advocates never lie because that would only confuse this simple, important initiative. Sorry, bad example.
But Liberals lie. Not like a rug; like wall-to-wall carpet.
Mr. Tory, in announcing the change on Monday, said he'd been persuaded by an encounter with a voter in Sarnia. Sure he was. The desperate yapping of PC candidates -- a couple of stalwarts among them -- the crashing poll numbers, naw, that had nothing to do with it.
He wouldn't lie about that. He's a Tory.
"Your word isn't just important, it's everything," Mr. Tory said during the televised leaders debate. Today, he's not a hypocrite, though. No. He's not a Liberal.
Liberals lie because they're so much better at it. It just comes naturally.
C'mon. Fiberals, remember? Lyin' Brian? Just a faded memory.
Jean Chrétien, in mid-campaign, said he would abolish the GST then, once elected, refused to do so. Guess he's a liar. Wonder if he actually had open-heart surgery. That story about the golf game and the heart doctor? Hummh. Guy's a Liberal. Probably made it up.
Bill Clinton, not a Liberal but close enough, must be a liar. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman," turned out to be quite a stretcher. Now people pay thousands to hear him speak.
Stephen Harper promised to do several things he's yet to achieve, but he's not a liar. He's just managing some pesky problems -- income trusts, Newfie oil, the gun registry -- or being hampered by his minority government status. He's a Conservative. He doesn't lie.
Lying, I guess, is a legitimate political topic. Doubtless, being unable to tell the truth is a character flaw in an individual and a political leader.
Here's the thing, and it will come as a shocker. People lie. Every day. You, her, your boss, your neighbour, your mom.
People lie about little things -- "Nice haircut!" -- and big things -- "Of course, I love you!" Many people today are divorced. When they stood before God and the assembled on their wedding day, and pledged love and fidelity, in sickness and in health, -- till death, yes, DEATH -- did them part, were they lying? Lying, briefly put, is the act of making a statement you know is false. There is a difference between deliberately uttering a falsehood and making a statement -- in all honesty -- that later turns out to be untrue.
One is lying. The other is breaking a promise or breaking your word. Dalton McGuinty surely did this and was crucified for it, even as he asked for forgiveness.
But to know he lied would be to know the contents of his head, at a certain moment in time. To some, this matters not. It is enough to know he's a Liberal. And Liberals lie.
Conservatives, on the other hand, are virtuous. They believe in certain things and hold to fundamentals. John Tory does not lie. And he's spent much of the campaign appealing to all those millions of Ontarians offended by a liar.
On Wednesday, he gets his just reward: the support of that righteous multitude. The truth may make him crazy.
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| DigiNut |
| Wow, what a worthless article. Was he even following the Tory campaign? Tory lost the support precisely because he didn't back away from the issue. And yes, pretty much every politician breaks some promises, because they promise too much and have to make compromises, but can anyone here name even one single promise that McGuinty kept? Where was the compromise? |
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| exstasie |
| Looks like we're stuck w/ Dalton for a few more years :whip: |
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| ChemEnhanced |
looks like another liberal majority :D
Poor Tory may not even win his own riding. Tory is dead as a political leader now.....time to find a new leader.
Looks like the Green Party may actually get a seat this election....that is huge. |
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| djbruuen |
just wondering, when 6% of results are in, how can a candidate be declared a winner?
edit: on a side note, i'm very displeased to have mcguinty for 4 more years. To bad Tory couldn't be the liberal leader. |
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| exstasie |
I've always wondered that. But I guess that 6% of the polls is a good enough estimate to declare a winner :rolleyes:
| quote: | Originally posted by djbruuen
just wondering, when 6% of results are in, how can a candidate be declared a winner?
edit: on a side note, i'm very displeased to have mcguinty for 4 more years. To bad Tory couldn't be the liberal leader. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| heck....they were declaring a liberal majority before a single vote was counted. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Looks like the Green Party may actually get a seat this election....that is huge. |
Which riding are you talking about? :eyes:
Right now it appears that the mixed member proportional system is not going to pass. |
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| exstasie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Which riding are you talking about? :eyes:
Right now it appears that the mixed member proportional system is not going to pass. |
The only close race is the Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound riding..but it looks like Murdoch (PC) is going to take it.
Close though! |
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| EvilTree |
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Ontario, be prepared for another 4 yrs of f*ckery |
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| djbruuen |
| i'd love to see the Green Party get a seat. Give them more credibility in further elections. |
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| Magnetonium |
Sadly, Green Party is not going to win a set. All I was asking is ONE Green seat, just ONE. To make a point, make history. Sadly, though it was close in one riding, not enough. And proportional mixed system is not welcomed either. And McGuinty is back, WITH a majority. The elections were a complete failure. |
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