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| ravr |
| quote: | Originally posted by TO guy
yes, that's what it must be.
Do you really think the City of Toronto has the ability to amend provincial laws? |
Obviously the province does not want to bail the city out, and this is just their way of giving the city som quick cash from tickets... |
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| TO guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by ravr
Obviously the province does not want to bail the city out, and this is just their way of giving the city som quick cash from tickets... |
sure |
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| ravr |
| Lol, narrow field of view... expand, connect. |
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| TO guy |
| Dude, I can't argue with you anymore. Statutory amendments to the Highway Traffics Act are not the solution, not are they proposed to be to the soloution to the city of Toroto's fiscal issues. |
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| barbina |
They impounded them before.. My friend Marks car got impounded when we got pulled over going 130mph on the QEW haha
... that was an adventure.. |
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| ravr |
| quote: | | Statutory amendments to the Highway Traffics Act are not the solution, not are they proposed to be to the soloution to the city of Toroto's fiscal issues. |
Yeah, sure, some politicians are not really shorsighted and are always looking for long term solutions
Anways, there was that whole watch your car as it is being totalled after being cought racing.... Yes, those that race should feel the heat, but these legislations obviously widen the net too much and are very poorly thought out. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Button
I'm good with all of the above. |
+1
I'd even go further....personally, I don't think a harsh enough stance is taken when it comes to the way people drive. Driving is a privilege...not a right....too many people forget that. A first time offence should be met with at least a 6 month suspension of your licence....second offence 1 year suspension and third offence...no more driving for you....EVER. |
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| tobywan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Button
I'm good with all of the above. |
Agreed...Glad to see that Ontario's highway laws are some of the toughest (if not THE toughest) in North America. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by ravr
there were like 5 police officers hiding in the high school near my place, trying to catch anybody who might be speeding. |
You mean the cops were DOING THEIR JOB?? OMG MADNESS!! :rolleyes: |
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| oldschool420 |
| We could use these laws in Alberta. The drivers here are horrible!!:whip: |
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| r5a |
This isn't that bad.
I'm sort of half hearted on the traffic weavers, I see it all the time people switching lanes for no ing reason and it just casues everyone to ing break and . Just stay in your lane, christ.
Early left - Never seen this but I can see why, s crazy, kinda dumb too.
50 over? | quote: | yup! i don't see the problem really...
there is no real reason to be going 50
over the limit. You can already drive 25
over without a lot of hassel. What more do you want?
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I mean really, if your speeding that much your asking for a ticket. They never really look at you if your 10 over. 15-20 It depends on their mood. 50 is just whack. |
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| Swamper |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
You mean the cops were DOING THEIR JOB?? OMG MADNESS!! :rolleyes: |
Speed limits in some areas are much lower than they should be given the conditions of the road and the 'comfort' level of most drivers given those conditions. That, is what you call, a great place to set up a speed trap!
Example:
| quote: | What I will start with is ashamedly admit I have made a speed trap for you motorists to enjoy.
I am a Traffic Technician for the City of Toronto in the Traffic Operations division. My main duty is performing studies involving potentially dangerous or accident-prone sections of the road and intersections. If you feel a patch of road is unsafe in Etobicoke and write a letter to City Hall or your councillor, chances are it will land on my desk.
Ways to make a roadway safer are the installation of traffic control signals (street lights), right of way applications (stop signs) and posted speed reductions (40 km/hr zones.) These measures are not added lightly however. Traffic is a large living construct. If you change something on one street it will have a noticible effect on the streets surrounding it.
We decide where to place these measure though engineering warrants. Volumes of data has been written through the years all over the world to assist in the management of traffic systems. They are mathmatical formulas and their proper application usually ensures the smoothest flow of traffic possible for the volume and capacity of our roadways.
It gets mucky however when politicians become involved into the equation and they often do. Since roads make up the city the city's roads fall into the jurisdiction of councillors. Councillors will petition our department for all kinds of safety features ************ of the engineering warrants.
How does this work? Let's say you, a taxpaying resident, feel there is something wrong with your local street. You can write or meet with your councillor to discuss the problem, or better yet go through your neighbourhood with a petition and get everyone to sign it. The issue now becomes political. If the councillor can make the change he will be regarded fondly by his constituents. Councillors therefore bombard my department with requests to change various aspects of the roadway.
The only defense we have to prevent spurious and ineffectual changes to the roadways is the warrants. Even though a councillor has control in his ward we can deny his request based on the mathematical merits of the request.
It doesn't always work like that however and there are places all across the city where there is a traffic device or condition that is not required according to the engineering requirements.
One such street is BERRY ROAD in Etobicoke.
Last year a city councillor petitioned hotly to get an entire neighbourhood plastered with 40km/hr signs. The by-lawed mean speed of any road in Toronto is 50 km/hr. To qualify for a 40 km/hr reduction a street must have a combination of characteristics such as having no sidewalks, have a school or community centre adjacent to the street, have two or more significant curves to the roadway, and be narrower than 10.5 metres. Berry Road has none of these characteristics but was labelled a 40 km/hr zone against my departments advice.
No big deal right? A 40 km/hr zone means people will drive slower and lives will be saved. Wrong.
Motorists drive at what we call 'the 85th percentile.' This is an engineering term that refers to a tried and true fact. Motorists will drive at whatever speed is comfortable to them on a given roadway. On straight, wide, brightly lit roadways motorists will drive fast because they feel safe doing so. On curvy, narrow, dark roadways motorists slow down because they fear a collision. Berry Road's street condition hasn't changed but you now must drive 40km/hr on it. Thus the formation of a speed trap is developed.
I received an email from a resident along Berry Road who complained that people were speeding. I am obligated to answer ever complaint or request I receive. I performed a radar speed study during rush hour on Berry Road and clocked the 85th percentile or 'comfort speed' of the roadway at... 56 km/hr. I also set down an automated traffic recorder for twenty-four hours and found the comfort speed to be... 61 km/hr.
If I find a roadway where the 85th percentile is 10km higher than the posted speed I must contact the Toronto Police with my findings. This is a no-brainer for the police. They set up their radar and scoop a ton of people. Word gets around that the street is speed enforced and people start slowing down.
What is going to happen however is that a bunch of people are going to get whacked this holiday season with a 20km over in a 40 zone, which is a couple hundred bucks and a couple points for driving in a normal fashion on Berry Road.
Plato once said "when you create a law you create criminals" and I think this is what he was talking about. I feel rather badly because I like to think the job I do saves lives rather than create unfair bureacracy. There is nothing you or I can do about it however. The citizens of Ward 5 petitioned for the slower speeds and so they got them. A desertation like this would fail in court because the posted speed is all that matters. |
(Taken from Tribe) |
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