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| geroin |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I believe the BAC provision only applies if you're convicted of some other offense. In other words, if you're caught racing AND they find that your BAC is 0.05 or higher, then you could get a suspension.
I'm no fan of Ontario's speed traps, but if someone merges into your lane going 130 and you almost hit them, then I'm sorry to say you're going too fast. Traffic engineers use the 85th percentile (see Del's article, but you can even find it on Wikipedia), and on the provincial freeways that is usually somewhere around 120. 130 is a bit fast, 140 is pretty fast; that's why people only do that in the outer lane on the 407. 150 really is, well, nuts. If you're going faster than the fastest drivers on a highway with light traffic, you're going too fast. Much more simply, if you're not going with the flow then you're either going too slow or too fast.
OK - on a totally empty highway having no curves, in peak daylight and dry weather, driving a 6-cylinder car with anti-locking brakes in top condition, maybe 150 is reasonable, or even 160. But speed limits aren't even supposed to be posted for ideal conditions, they're supposed to be posted for typical conditions. That's why the engineers actually look at how fast most people go before deciding what the speed limit should be. |
when you drive you decide on your own what is the safe speed for you to go, be it rush hour and you're going 20km/h or if it's a constant flow of 100km/h, if you try to go faster than that in rush hour traffic then you are a dangerous driver and you deserve the consequences, i'm talking about strictly driving down an empty or almost empty roads in the morning/night time. If you are a sane person you will obviously see that you cannot go 150 if there are cars everywhere.
in the example i was talking about, i was driving in the left lane going 130, this woman was driving in the right lane going 130, i started to safely change lanes into the middle one because i was going to exit shortly after and this woman without looking and signaling started changing lanes in the middle at the same time also, if i didn't react as quickly as i did i'd probably be in the hospital right now if not dead, and to add to that she was talking on her cellphone, stupid bitch.
you also say how 140 is pretty fast and how 150 is nuts, i don't understand your reasoning behind this, how is 150 nuts? is it nuts because the law says so? why is it in germany there is no speed limits on the highway and no one thinks its nuts? nuts would be going 200km/h+ because you do not have much control of your car compared to 140/150 unless you're driving a ferrari (or equivalent).
150 with no cars on the road does not equal nuts
150 rush hour, weaving in and out equals dangerous and deserves the charge
the problem is that the cops will pull this law on everyone so city can make some extra money. I'd also love to see the report next year to see if the number of deaths on our highways have been reduced due to this new law, haha what a ing joke :rolleyes: |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by geroin
when you drive you decide on your own what is the safe speed for you to go, be it rush hour and you're going 20km/h or if it's a constant flow of 100km/h, if you try to go faster than that in rush hour traffic then you are a dangerous driver and you deserve the consequences, i'm talking about strictly driving down an empty or almost empty roads in the morning/night time. If you are a sane person you will obviously see that you cannot go 150 if there are cars everywhere.
in the example i was talking about, i was driving in the left lane going 130, this woman was driving in the right lane going 130, i started to safely change lanes into the middle one because i was going to exit shortly after and this woman without looking and signaling started changing lanes in the middle at the same time also, if i didn't react as quickly as i did i'd probably be in the hospital right now if not dead, and to add to that she was talking on her cellphone, stupid bitch.
you also say how 140 is pretty fast and how 150 is nuts, i don't understand your reasoning behind this, how is 150 nuts? is it nuts because the law says so? why is it in germany there is no speed limits on the highway and no one thinks its nuts? nuts would be going 200km/h+ because you do not have much control of your car compared to 140/150 unless you're driving a ferrari (or equivalent).
150 with no cars on the road does not equal nuts
150 rush hour, weaving in and out equals dangerous and deserves the charge
the problem is that the cops will pull this law on everyone so city can make some extra money. I'd also love to see the report next year to see if the number of deaths on our highways have been reduced due to this new law, haha what a ing joke :rolleyes: |
what nuts is trying to justify going 150 km/hr. |
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| geroin |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
what nuts is trying to justify going 150 km/hr. |
typical idiotic response, "omg i'm afraid of those speeds, i go 100km/h and i'm safe and so should you"
this is why a highway has 3-4 lanes, go to your right lane and enjoy your speed and i will enjoy mine in the left.
most countries in europe have a speed limit of 120-130km/h, even in us it's 120 but we in Canada are too to drive over 100 because it is *!DANGEROUS!* and our city is full of old ing farts who actually drive below the limit, off with that alright |
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| Trance-Canada |
| I say screw all the KIDS who get caught racing, if your stupid enough to do it in the street, you deserve to get you POS 2L car taken away. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by geroin
lol what a bunch of ing dumbasses
35 deaths since 1999, that's almost 9 ing years there
how about worrying about truck drivers speeding, doing unsafe lane changes that cause most deaths and accidents on the highways? even with all these stupid ing laws we have the worst drivers on the planet (example would be a chick talking on the phone switching lanes on the highway going 130 without signaling and me almost smashing into her) why don't they crack down on those drivers? why do i have to be considered a racer the minute i hit 150, what ing dumbass came up with that law.
also i love people that say OMG 150 is way too fast, no it's not ing way too fast, the average speed on 407 is 130-140 in the left lane. 150 is not MUCH faster than that.
this law should only apply to actual racers and/or dangerous drivers that are reckless on our roads/highways. Those are the drivers that could potentially cause harm. Me driving 150 in straight line at 3am is not harmful to anyone.
also the new 0.05-0.08 law, what the is that all about, so if i get pulled over and i'm below the 0.08 limit but i'm at 0.05 my car will get towed? who comes up with this |
I agree with all your points.
I have to mention that it's retarded that going 125 in a 100 won't get you any tickets at all, but going just 20% faster than that gets your car impounded.
Honestly, I think all these stupid lower speed limits and heavier fines are not very productive. The real root of the problem is that everyone in Ontario drives with their head up their ass. Everyone in Ontario needs to be re-educated on how to drive courteously. Especially truck drivers. Nothing more irritating (and road rage inducing) than an 18-wheeler SLOOOOOOOWWWWLLLYYYY passing another 18 wheeler going 105 km/h in the left lane, while cars that were going there at 130 are slamming on their brakes. I think the following three rules should be drilled into the mind of every dumbass behind the wheel in Ontario:
- STAY RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS. TRUCKS SHOULD BE IN LEFT LANE NEVER.
- IF PASSING, FIRST MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT IMPEDE TRAFFIC BEHIND YOU.
- NEVER BLOCK TWO LANES BY GOING THE SAME SPEED AS THE CAR NEXT TO YOU. If you're going the same speed as the car beside you, why not get behind him and let others go through? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by geroin
typical idiotic response, "omg i'm afraid of those speeds, i go 100km/h and i'm safe and so should you"
this is why a highway has 3-4 lanes, go to your right lane and enjoy your speed and i will enjoy mine in the left.
most countries in europe have a speed limit of 120-130km/h, even in us it's 120 but we in Canada are too to drive over 100 because it is *!DANGEROUS!* and our city is full of old ing farts who actually drive below the limit, off with that alright |
I have no issue with the speed limit being 120-130 km/hr. A highway has three to four lanes because of the sheer number of people on the road....not so you can drive 150 km/hr....talk about idiotic response. The left lane is also a passing lane...not a lane for you to floor it.
Just give me one legit reason why anyone has to travel 50 km/hr over the speed limit. |
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| geroin |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I have no issue with the speed limit being 120-130 km/hr. A highway has three to four lanes because of the sheer number of people on the road....not so you can drive 150 km/hr....talk about idiotic response. The left lane is also a passing lane...not a lane for you to floor it.
Just give me one legit reason why anyone has to travel 50 km/hr over the speed limit. |
sheer number of people does not apply to my example, i specifically mentioned that when it IS possible to go those speeds (night/morning). You cannot go 150 during rush hour.
also you have no issue with the limit being 130 but you have an issue with drivers going 150? that doesn't make any sense. I can imagine the insane amounts of old farts in the city complaining if someone ever proposes this idea of raising the limit to 120 (haha if 80y old drivers barely go 90 on a highway right now i doubt they will go 120 in the future).
where does it say that you have to use the left lane only when you need to pass, did you just make this up? left lane is for passing and for drivers that are going faster then the rest, it is common sense.
one legit reason would be getting to your destination much faster? |
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| SkyHigh |
I just got caught going 136 in a 80 zone on an empty highway at 5am.
How does that qualify me as a street racer?
P.S I was late for work.
P.S In the boonies. |
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| geroin |
| how about banning people 80+ from driving instead of letting them on the roads? how about raising the age from 16 to 18 or 20 years old to drive allowing kids to grow up before letting them behind the wheel? how about having a much tougher exam for truck drivers with an ACTUAL TRUCK and not horse trailer or a pick up trucks to get their license. Instead of regulating this they regulate speeds, if you look at the crashes in the last 5 days most involve trucks and speed is not a factor in those accidents, honestly they can go themselves. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by geroin
when you drive you decide on your own what is the safe speed for you to go |
If that were truly the case, there'd be virtually no accidents on our highways. Some people obviously are not skilled enough drivers to decide this on their own (this applies to people who drive too fast OR too slow), which is why we have speed limits, and also why those speed limits are supposed to be based on how most people drive.
| quote: | | in the example i was talking about, i was driving in the left lane going 130, this woman was driving in the right lane going 130, i started to safely change lanes into the middle one because i was going to exit shortly after and this woman without looking and signaling started changing lanes in the middle at the same time also |
So you're talking about, quite simply, an unsafe lane change. That by itself does not prove anything about the speed. By the way - I assume you signaled your lane change even though she didn't?
| quote: | | you also say how 140 is pretty fast and how 150 is nuts, i don't understand your reasoning behind this, how is 150 nuts? is it nuts because the law says so? why is it in germany there is no speed limits on the highway and no one thinks its nuts? nuts would be going 200km/h+ because you do not have much control of your car compared to 140/150 unless you're driving a ferrari (or equivalent). |
No, it is nuts because the traffic flow never moves that fast. Traffic flow rarely exceeds 130 on the 407, or 120 on the 400/401, so if you're going 20-30 km/h faster than that, you're going too fast.
Aside from the fact that many stretches of the autobahn do have speed limits, drivers in the EU and especially Germany/Austria are generally much better trained than in North America. You will rarely see anyone using the outer lanes if they are not passing someone. The reason that the speed limits are often (not always) raised or removed is for people to be able to safely pass others - not to go bombing down the road at 150 km/h or more. Some people drive that fast, but it's still rare. In good conditions, most people will go around 120-125, or possibly 130-140 on a highway that's very straight and very empty.
I'm sorry to say this, but Canada's highways can't handle those kinds of speeds, especially considering the typical road conditions, weather conditions, and the number of immigrant drivers (and some locals) with little or no training. It's amazing how easily some people can get their licenses, especially women with male examiners (I'm not making assumptions, I've seen this personally). At high speeds, you have to be paying very close attention and have good reflexes, and most of our drivers fail on both counts.
You're right about the truck drivers. The requirements for that are nonsense, and far too many of them don't know what the hell they're doing and cause fatal accidents. I believe that they were actually trying to revamp those laws, but I don't remember the details. Most of the time, though, the problem isn't with trucks going too fast, it's going far too slow (I've seen trucks come to almost a complete stop in the middle lane on the 400, nowhere near an exit), occupying the outer lanes (they're supposed to stay on the right), and not attempting to check their enormous blind spots when making lane changes. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by SkyHigh
I just got caught going 136 in a 80 zone on an empty highway at 5am. |
Didn't you JUST get finished with another racing ticket, or is this the same one? |
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| MarkT |
well, here's dumb consequence #1 from the new law...a mother will not have her car for a week because her son was caught speeding.
punish the driver...but there ought to be some mechanizm to not have an owner suffer the consequences too if someone else is driving their car.
stupid.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/262045
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New street-racing law nets 28 drivers
Sep 30, 2007 08:46 PM
Chris Jai Centeno and Rachel DeLazzer
Staff Reporter
The high cost of speeding has come home to more than two dozen lead-footed drivers, the first to run afoul of new legislation designed to curb street racing and aggressive driving in Ontario.
For the 28 drivers charged today, the costs hit home immediately: vehicle impounded for seven days, driver’s licence suspended for seven days and, if found guilty in court, a minimum $2,000 fine.
It was enough to drive one young man to tears after he became one of the first stopped by the Ontario Provincial Police after the law — aimed at drivers doing more than 50 kilometres over the speed limit — came into effect today.
“A young man started crying as his mom’s car was impounded,” said OPP Sgt. Cam Woolley, unable to say if the tears were prompted by the temporary loss of the car, the potential fine, or in anticipation of mom’s wrath.
Another driver, who just got his new car, promptly lost it after he was clocked doing 174 km/h on Highway 401, which has a 100 km/h speed limit. “He only had the car for two days, and the car will be impounded longer than he owned it,” Woolley noted.
Two drivers who had their rental cars impounded face even steeper costs, since they’ll be paying rental costs while their cars sit in an impound lot. “They’re now responsible for at least a week of extra rent,” Woolley said, adding: “There’s no question that this is going to reduce the aggressive driving.”
Police aren’t apologizing for embracing the law and its stiff penalties.
“We’re trying to make aggressive driving as socially unacceptable as drinking and driving,” Woolley said.
One reason for the tough stance is the mounting cost of speeding. According to OPP statistics, 340 people have been killed on Ontario roads so far this year, compared with 329 at the same time last year; 87 of this year’s cases involved speed and aggressive driving.
To curb that kind of behaviour, the new law also imposes the tough penalties on any kind of risky driving behaviour.
“There’s a lot of room for the officer to use their own judgment,” Woolley noted, such as “anyone driving in a risky manner, driving an unsafe vehicle, driving double the speed limit on wet or icy roads.
“People should keep in mind that it’s not just speeding,” he added. “It can be unsafe lane changes, people slaloming through traffic at high speed — about a dozen different offences can result in these charges.”
Police say their new enforcement powers come just in time for the Thanksgiving holiday weekend, and they’re readying an arsenal for the task — aircraft, new equipment and unmarked patrol cars that are more difficult to spot than ever.
The law came into effect after several street racing deaths during the past year. Police note it also applies to stunt driving such as popping wheelies and doing doughnuts. |
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