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Death toll for Iraqis falls (pg. 2)
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| erdega |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Not that I dictate what is appropriate or not, but posting pictures of IED's and saying you are glad Americans "are taking a beating" is a bit over the line in my opinion. |
I think it's in line and even understated with those who push the imperial policies where ends justify means. I don't know if you ever condemned American bombing of tv station in belgrade killing 16 journalists and countless other terrorist acts commited on the orders of Washington or if you condemned war on Iraq initiated on false premises for someone else's profit . Anyway this is a so called "sole superpower" as they like to call themselves but when they are put on defensive they are not so tough as they like to believe.
Besides you are the one defending low lives like Joe Biden so why should I take you seriously even as much |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Agreed. Erdega, I think you need to edit your post a little bit. I understand your message and agree with your general sentiments, but the mods have explicitly stated to avoid such pictures and language depicting the deaths of anyone. I'd rather see you edit it a little before Lira/Neo intervenes - from what I recollect they will suspend or ban people for this. |
Can you imagine the outrage if we started posting snuff photos and videos of Iraqis dying? I love how it's acceptable to post pics of the deaths from the side that's killing more enemies. It's not like killing everyone is going to win us the war, because we all know that the death counts aren't the decider in a fight against an ideology.
| quote: | Originally posted by erdega
I've seen what they have done, killing everyone from defenseless children to journalists to grannies in wanton orgies of violence and I consider entire American military as imperial teroristic in nature notwithstanding that they push the policies of the criminal regime in Washington and those invested in them |
And the other side does the same, more frequently, often to their own countrymen, yet you cheer for them? |
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| erdega |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Agreed. Erdega, I think you need to edit your post a little bit. I understand your message and agree with your general sentiments, but the mods have explicitly stated to avoid such pictures and language depicting the deaths of anyone. I'd rather see you edit it a little before Lira/Neo intervenes - from what I recollect they will suspend or ban people for this. |
Should I edit it?
I mean these are injured soldiers in war battles , it's not like I post murdered corpses. Besides there is nothing like this in any western media where war is idolized , simplified which ultimatelly leads to even deadlier consequences on the ground |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
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Besides you are the one defending low lives like Joe Biden so why should I take you seriously even as much |
What the hell does that have to do with anything? You're the king of tangential ad hominem non sequitars. The fact that I support Joe Biden's education and Iraq policies now makes me an American imperialist? So does the fact that you hate America make you a terrorist? In your black-and-white either-with-me-or-against-me world of Zionist conspiracy, you're always right and everyone else is evil. That's like third grade logic. Grow up.
| quote: | Originally posted by erdega
I think it's in line and even understated with those who push the imperial policies where ends justify means. |
So then my above post would be in line too? Or would you like to have your cake and eat it too?
| quote: | I don't know if you ever condemned American bombing of tv station in belgrade killing 16 journalists and countless other terrorist acts commited on the orders of Washington or if you condemned war on Iraq initiated on false premises for someone else's profit .
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I did and I do. But I don't pray for Americans to die as a result. Or gloat over the pictures of them doing so.
| quote: | | Anyway this is a so called "sole superpower" as they like to call themselves but when they are put on defensive they are not so tough as they like to believe. |
And? Are you implying that it IS tough to "stand up" to the US by burying bombs by the side of roads? That's so hypocritical. If the US did it you would cry bloody murder. But now it is "retribution". I understand completely why you dislike American foreign policy. I do too right now. But your anti-American venom is hypocritical and stupid. |
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| erdega |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Not that I dictate what is appropriate or not, but posting pictures of IED's and saying you are glad Americans "are taking a beating" is a bit over the line in my opinion. |
Sure Mr. Biden fan, like you know what's appropriate . But any imperialist supporter needs to look at some of those pictures and I say again these are tame stuff and none of guys except the one on strecher is dead. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by erdega
Biden
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Still irrelevant.
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But any imperialist supporter needs to look at some of those pictures |
Yes, because forcing people who don't support the goddamn war in Iraq in the first place to see pictures of their dead countrymen really does make whatever anti-imperialism point you're trying to make quite effectively. Not.
| quote: | | and I say again these are tame stuff and none of guys except the one on strecher is dead. |
That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Go take your snuff fetish elsewhere please. Hopefully to vacation in suspension-land. |
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| erdega |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Can you imagine the outrage if we started posting snuff photos and videos of Iraqis dying? I love how it's acceptable to post pics of the deaths from the side that's killing more enemies. It's not like killing everyone is going to win us the war, because we all know that the death counts aren't the decider in a fight against an ideology. |
America is the only aggressor at the behest of its elite . 99% of American victims in Serbia and Iraq were defenselss victims
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
And the other side does the same, more frequently, often to their own countrymen, yet you cheer for them? |
This only started after American occupation but likely will not end immediatelly with their withdrawal |
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| atbell |
Not that I'm about to post any jpeg's of more dead, I'm curious about if there is a line here.
What about pictures of concentration camps / the halocaust or other genocides? I've seen some realy crazy ones on documentaries on PUBLIC broadcasting (US and Canadian stations) in addition to life sized photo's at the London War Mueseam.
Or how about pictures of the trenches in WWI? There are many of bloody mud covered soilders floating around.
Or Vietnam? The pictures that came back from there were instrumental in energizing the anti-war movment at the time. If we continue to abide by censored media standards while cencoring ourselves isn't it likely going to extend the war and the suffering that goes a long with it?
In that respect there's a currious posibility that the more pictures of the wounded are supressed the more pictures there will be to surpress. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by atbell
Not that I'm about to post any jpeg's of more dead, I'm curious about if there is a line here.
What about pictures of concentration camps / the halocaust or other genocides? |
My point is that nobody posts pictures of The Holocaust with the caption "gee I'm glad those Jews got what they deserved." |
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| LatinLover |
Incredible! Anti-Americanism in this board is real.
It seems that MisterOpus mission to promote anti-americanism and negative propaganda against our troops is working. |
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| erdega |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
What the hell does that have to do with anything? You're the king of tangential ad hominem non sequitars. The fact that I support Joe Biden's education and Iraq policies now makes me an American imperialist? |
It has something to do with your credibility because you may not be wary of war and gore if it satisfies your proclinations and of course supporting Biden among others makes you an imperialist. He has voted for war and is a self proclaimef zionist , he believes in "victory" after almost 5 years of bloodshed and his "plan for iraq" is a direct plagiarism from bosnia dayton agreement which involves american overseeing of de facto iraqi segregation and I bet you knew that, right ?
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
So does the fact that you hate America make you a terrorist? In your black-and-white either-with-me-or-against-me world of Zionist conspiracy, you're always right and everyone else is evil. That's like third grade logic. Grow up. |
A fact that I hate America makes me a terrorist, you say ?
I know you are not joking so I gather that my anti zionist imperialist line pushed you to that conclusion as well as your support for Biden who pushes those 2 lines. For your black and white analogy , your definition of terrorism is very politicised and used only to intimidate but when I talk of terrorism I speak of politically inspired blind violence
Speaking of which, I am as american as non american can be, my sister lives in the states , I support Ron Paul way before he became what he is today, I watch nba and so much more but it's the other people who are isolated, the war mongers , they refuse to accept any responsability and are living in fantasy land where they are right and everyone else is wrong, even that fat neocon Perle was talking the other day how everyone else is guilty but him. Also when you talk about "zionist conspiracies", how come people like this can never be objective with zionists and/or jews and treat them like everyone else good and bad ? I think Israel and jews is too romanticised of a subject from holocaust to Israel to wars where people in america and especially politicians are too emotionally involved to see it objectively and that's why they overreact in their policies
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I did and I do. But I don't pray for Americans to die as a result. Or gloat over the pictures of them doing so. |
Given the fact that American army is purely offensive force and its mission is made of lies , why do you or anybody would support it ?
I am showing reality , reality obscured to average american citizen. Maybe you have an idealistic view of the war and the world.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
And? Are you implying that it IS tough to "stand up" to the US by burying bombs by the side of roads? That's so hypocritical. If the US did it you would cry bloody murder. But now it is "retribution". I understand completely why you dislike American foreign policy. I do too right now. But your anti-American venom is hypocritical and stupid. |
Hey man I could go on about Americans who started these wars bombing defenselss targets from 30000 feet or 500 km, planting IED's is way more courageous and skillful than that. You talk about Serbia but fail to mention 78 days of american terror bombing never daring to fight serbian army on the ground, that is cowardice that caught up to americans and their allies in Iraq once they got to defend themselves
And I don't know how well you know me to be making those statements. I fundamentally hate current Washington regime whom I consider criminal and both parties who are in it together , I hate american mainstream media from fox to new york times . My problem is with let's say it American imperialism and you seem to think there is not enough of it. I support Ron Paul even though I am not american and you support Biden who still believes in "victory" , for what and for whom I don't know, to be honest I do know what he means very well . So I'd say by and large we are diametrically opposed which doesn't mean we can't agree on some things , let's just not get personal on these important issues |
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