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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I'd be remiss if I didn't voice my disagreement.
I don't condone the way Latin acts, and certainly think he's being childish, but I don't think he's done anything to warrant a suspension. He does level ad hominems from time to time, but to be fair he receives worse. And though he, by his own admission, scarcely puts any thought into any of his posts, I thought that this thread has represented more "effort" from him than any previous. I just can't shake the feeling that he's being lynched by a mob for being, in our view, wrong. It would definitely be nice to see some more support for his opinions. But the only thing he's hurt by refusing to supply support is, in my opinion, his own credibility. |
I would agree had he not continually labeled everyone (including me) who disagrees with him as "anti-American". I have taken that as a personal swipe, albeit a silly unsupported one, because I firmly believe what has been done to this country by Bush has been anything but American. Does that necessarily merit me calling anyone who disagrees with me as an "anti-American"? Of course not, yet he continued to persist.
I can take his refusal to engage in debates - hell that's like shooting fish in a barrel when refuting his silly posts. But what I personally disagree with is his branding and smearing anyone who doesn't agree with him as "anti-American". On that merit alone I agree with a temporary suspension. If he changes his ways when he gets back, that would be most refreshing.
And by the way, by my count that makes 4 times he's been suspended or banned from this website. His history and reputation certainly preceeds him, and that cannot be discounted either. One has to wonder why a repeat offender continues to get punished....... |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I'd be remiss if I didn't voice my disagreement.
I don't condone the way Latin acts, and certainly think he's being childish, but I don't think he's done anything to warrant a suspension. He does level ad hominems from time to time, but to be fair he receives worse. And though he, by his own admission, scarcely puts any thought into any of his posts, I thought that this thread has represented more "effort" from him than any previous. I just can't shake the feeling that he's being lynched by a mob for being, in our view, wrong. It would definitely be nice to see some more support for his opinions. But the only thing he's hurt by refusing to supply support is, in my opinion, his own credibility. |
I understand you perfectly, and you know I share a very similar point of view. As a matter of fact, I've refused to suspend him (in spite of that all debate regarding this issue) numerous times, specially because I think diversity is needed, and I strongly agree with what I'd call a "Millian liberty". I wouldn't want the majority to silent him just because his opinion is different. I've been trying to overlook his hubristic attitude because it wasn't that bad... but he's turning out to be judgemental and he's now also vilifying others simply because they don't agree with him (with all this "Anti-Americanism" thing). Exactly for that reason, I'm suspending him for a couple of weeks only.
But, Lebez, I do see where you're coming from, and I must say that this was a very difficult decision. I'm just doing the opposite of what I've been doing so far because I think I should be humble enough to try even if I don't seem to agree with something at first. I might be wrong after all, and this is not some kind of life-changing decision. |
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| Krypton |
ALL HAIL LIRA - JUST AND TRUE :gsmile:
Lebez, Q5echo/firestarter are just as tooth and nail conservative as latinloser, but they actually attempt to engage in constructive debate. We give all points of a view a fair shot at scrutiny and discussion. It is LL who refused to do so, refusing to discuss, inhibiting debate in the forum.
We've had Israeli conservatives on here!! We are tolerant! |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by LatinLover
My calculations indicate that by the end of 08 we will have a stabilized Iraq. |
lol good one!!!:haha: |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
I understand you perfectly, and you know I share a very similar point of view. As a matter of fact, I've refused to suspend him (in spite of that all debate regarding this issue) numerous times, specially because I think diversity is needed, and I strongly agree with what I'd call a "Millian liberty". I wouldn't want the majority to silent him just because his opinion is different. I've been trying to overlook his hubristic attitude because it wasn't that bad... but he's turning out to be judgemental and he's now also vilifying others simply because they don't agree with him (with all this "Anti-Americanism" thing). Exactly for that reason, I'm suspending him for a couple of weeks only.
But, Lebez, I do see where you're coming from, and I must say that this was a very difficult decision. I'm just doing the opposite of what I've been doing so far because I think I should be humble enough to try even if I don't seem to agree with something at first. I might be wrong after all, and this is not some kind of life-changing decision. |
I see your point. Thanks for the further explanation, and the Mill reference! ;) |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
ALL HAIL LIRA - JUST AND TRUE :gsmile:
Lebez, Q5echo/firestarter are just as tooth and nail conservative as latinloser, |
!! Have I really come across as conservative around here?? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
!! Have I really come across as conservative around here?? |
No, I was talking to you! |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
No, I was talking to you! |
Oh, lol, I thought I was part of the list. Haha, I think I'm just paranoid after being called a neo-con in class tonight. We were reading our paper abstracts, and I'm writing one as a devil's advocate and my classmates all thought I was being serious. So you made me think that apparently I am hard to pin down after all! |
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| Clovis |
To me, if he's just here to start and not to even attempt any sort of dialogue, whats the point. Ban is fine for me.
I disagree with a lot of people, but discourse between us makes both more knowledgeable. This type of thread here accomplishes absolutely nothing. It has nothing to do with differing opinions, it's just plain stupidity.
Anyhow...any logical person who might be reading this thread has been presented such a wealth of information and arguments completely shutting down his opinion that I doubt letting him come back would be of any benefit to anyone...it's like having Dana Perino smile and tell everyone we're meeting our "goals and obligations" while everyone in the room spews out facts that clearly indicate otherwise...
Hell, Ann Coulter is easier to debate... |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
it's like having Dana Perino smile and tell everyone we're meeting our "goals and obligations" while everyone in the room spews out facts that clearly indicate otherwise...
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Yeah, but Dana Perino is so cute. ;)
Who's actually listening to what she says?
EDIT: lol, found this online:
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
My calculations indicate that by the end of 08 he will still have a definition of "stabilized" that is not congruent with the situation on the ground in that pesky sonofabitch called reality. |
Yeah, maybe for him "stabilized" is someone is only blowing up a market full of women and children once a week instead of every day. Personally, if that was happening here I wouldn't say things were stable |
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| Omega_M |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Yeah, but Dana Perino is so cute. ;) |
I agree.  |
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