Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
My point is that nobody posts pictures of The Holocaust with the caption "gee I'm glad those Jews got what they deserved."
There is no comparison between offensive soldiers of a global superpower and defenselss concentration camp victims. Don't throw useless and tasteless comparisons
erdega
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
As opposed to the massacres of Bosniaks at Srebrenica or Kurds in the Al-Anfal campaign?
Originally posted by LatinLover
Incredible! Anti-Americanism in this board is real.
It seems that MisterOpus mission to promote anti-americanism and negative propaganda against our troops is working.
You can add me on your haterlist.
erdega
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Fact remains, you don't see anyone here saying that all Serbs deserve to get firebombed for what the Vojska Republike Srpske did in Srebrenica.
Oh I feel real ing better.
Who cares what anyone here says ?
tards like Bill O Reilly , Thomas Friedman and others, yes they preach hatred
erdega
maybe they are covering up the casualties because the bombs are definitely bigger than before
Islamic State of Iraq (al-Furqan): Destruction of an American Humvee in Diyala
LazFX
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Originally posted by erdega
tards like Bill O Reilly , Thomas Friedman, erdega and others, yes they preach hatred
fixed
MisterOpus1
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Originally posted by LatinLover
Incredible! Anti-Americanism in this board is real.
It seems that MisterOpus mission to promote anti-americanism and negative propaganda against our troops is working.
Erdega had these sentiments long before you were here, and he needed no help from me.
I believe the rules of ad hominem attacks were stated quite clearly by Lira before, and by stating that I am promoting "anti-americanism" is directly implying that I am myself an anti-american. Surely you knew this may not be acceptable by the mods, right?
And if you deem anything I say as propaganda, then demonstrate how it is false with verifiable evidence.
Oh wait, I keep forgetting - you don't even bother trying to debate or add anything worthwhile to the discussion, do you?
Well here, sir, let's add another wrinkle to your utopian world of Iraq:
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Iraqi lawmakers protest U.S. guards
Legislators walk out of parliament, complaining that troops at Green Zone entry points are overly aggressive and humiliate them.
By Ann M. Simmons, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
November 29, 2007
BAGHDAD -- Dozens of Iraqi lawmakers walked out of parliament Wednesday to protest what they view as overly aggressive and humiliating treatment by U.S. soldiers as representatives enter Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone, where the legislature is located.
"I and many of my colleagues who live outside the Green Zone face a lot of problems," said Feryad Rawandozi, a high-ranking official with the Kurdish parliamentary bloc. U.S. soldiers "are very arrogant and impolite when they talk to us, especially with those who don't speak English."
Legislators, like everyone else entering the Green Zone, must submit to a gauntlet of physical searches, and allow their vehicles to be inspected by bomb-sniffing dogs. They must line up with the throngs of other residents and employees seeking to enter the area, which is also headquarters to U.S. operations in Iraq. The process can take up to two hours.
"This is unacceptable," Rawandozi said.
Though U.S. officials in recent months have reported significant progress reducing violence in Baghdad, it has not been enough to warrant a relaxation of stringent security checks. In April, a suicide attack in the parliament building killed one lawmaker.
Army Maj. Anton Alston, a spokesman for Multi-National Force-Iraq, acknowledged that U.S. soldiers guarding checkpoints might be misconstrued as hostile, but said the troops were simply trying to ensure security.
"They don't know who's who. They do a thorough search and give stern instructions to ensure that these individuals coming into the checkpoint are not the bad guys," Alston said. "Their intent is to make sure the environment is safe for themselves and for the folks they are trying to protect."
"If we come off as aggressive, it might be a cultural thing," Alston added.
Rawandozi and other legislators said they were not opposed to thorough security checks, but felt there should be a better system in place to facilitate the entry of busy lawmakers trying to get to work at parliament.
He said it was impractical for legislators to wait two hours to be cleared for entry. He said he often brings a novel with him and manages to read two or three chapters during the delay.
On Wednesday, the issue was raised in parliament, and many lawmakers vented their anger.
The parliament speaker stopped the proceeding for half an hour to protest the behavior of U.S. troops, and as many as 100 lawmakers left the hall. Most returned, but the Kurdish bloc boycotted the remainder of the session, attendees said.
Rawandozi said he had mentioned the concerns over treatment of Iraqi lawmakers to U.S. officials, including Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker and Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, commander of coalition forces in Iraq, but said nothing had been done to address the issue.
Some legislators have suggested that they be issued a special sticker on their badge that would distinguish them from civilians entering the Green Zone, and permit quicker access and less-harsh treatment.
"We have to stand for our dignity as representatives of the Iraqi people," said legislator Safia Suhail.
Darn that silly propaganda thing. Who do these elected government officials of Iraq think they are anyway?
So let's see - women's rights are getting tossed, Iraqi political leaders are increasingly becoming disgruntled by our military (which I'm sure the feeling is mutual), the political process has gone absolutely nowhere, but violence has decreased and we can plant our "victory" flag right in the middle of the rubble.
Terrific. Can we go home now?
Capitalizt
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Originally posted by erdega
[img]http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m253/nahrawan/7.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m253/nahrawan/9.jpg[/img]
Last night, John Mccain said they "really want to be there"...
:mad: :mad: :mad:
Who are the real anti-Americans Latin? Those who want to bring our troops home and defend this country, or those who insist on sacrificing Americans in an effort to control and reshape the world...
Lira
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Originally posted by erdega
I am glad the "world's only superpower" is taking a beating from an invisible enemy only they can appreciate, all in defense of war propaganda and their imperialist objectives
Please read the rules while you're suspended ;)
Edit: I will not allow any kind of expression of joy regarding someone else's misery. Also, posting those images is an unnecessary appeal to emotion - do you really need to shock others in order to get your point across?
There's not need to turn this forum into a gore-fest.
XaNaX
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Originally posted by erdega
They are soldiers who have never fought a real army
It is much easier to fight a real army than terrorists who kill women and children and put bombs on the side of the road
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Originally posted by erdega
I've seen what they have done, killing everyone from defenseless chilldren to journalists to grannies in wanton orgies of violence
Really, and I'm sure you have seen a lot of this from the relative safety of Canada
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by erdega
It has something to do with your credibility
Because who you support for President has something to do with your personal credibility on every issue... ok.
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because you may not be wary of war and gore if it satisfies your proclinations
What war am I supposed to be in support of again? Do you actually read anything I post?
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and of course supporting Biden among others makes you an imperialist.
Yes, because he and I are both all for the colonization of the Middle East.
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He has voted for war
And since apologized for that vote.
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his "plan for iraq" is a direct plagiarism from bosnia dayton agreement which involves american overseeing of de facto iraqi segregation and I bet you knew that, right ?
And? He was instrumental in crafting the Dayton Accords, so it would only make sense that they have some similarities.
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A fact that I hate America makes me a terrorist, you say ?
No, that's what you say. I'm just taking your moral absolutism to the next logical step.
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as well as your support for Biden
You have yet to convince anyone that Biden = evil. So you've yet to convince me that by extension I = evil.
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but when I talk of terrorism I speak of politically inspired blind violence
Like... say, blind violence against Americans?
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fantasy land where they are right and everyone else is wrong,
Surely you aren't guilty of that sentiment.
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that fat neocon Perle was talking the other day how everyone else is guilty but him.
How you manage to lump me in with Richard Perle is a fantastical jump of logic. You're really showing how little you understand my view points.
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how come people like this can never be objective with zionists and/or jews and treat them like everyone else good and bad ?
THANK YOU. You have re-stated my basic point. So someone is a Zionist. Does that necessarily make them an evil imperialist? I posit not. You have not shown a link between Israel and the Dayton Accords, which is a fundamental flaw in your argument. I can buy an argument that Zionism played a role in driving the US to War in Iraq (a war that both myself AND Joe Biden detest). But in the Balkans? I don't buy it.
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its mission is made of lies
It's like wishing death on the messenger. The soldiers aren't choosing to fight in Iraq. They are ordered to. Your beef is with Bush, not with the soldiers on the ground. Cheering for American deaths on the ground is not a political statement, it's a form of hatred.
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I am showing reality , reality obscured to average american citizen. Maybe you have an idealistic view of the war and the world.
Idealistic view of the war? I've never supported it!!!
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And I don't know how well you know me to be making those statements.
Wow. So it is ok to label me a Zionist imperialist based on whom I plan on voting for in the Democratic primary, but it is not ok for me to call you hypocritical for writing theses against violence and then gloating over it when it is directed at an American. Ok there champ.
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I fundamentally hate current Washington regime whom I consider criminal
Something we can agree on.
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and both parties who are in it together
Something we can't.
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I hate american mainstream media from fox
Something we can agree on.
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to new york times .
Something we can't.
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you seem to think there is not enough of it.
And I said this when? Did you miss the posts where I say I don't support the War in Iraq?
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to be honest I do know what he means very well .
Well that's something worth hating him over, yes?
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Originally posted by erdega
You are talking about liberal imperialist Soros politically funded organizations such as HRW.
Human Rights Watch is imperialist? That's certainly new. Considering they berate the US as much as anybody for human rights transgressions. And considering they absolutely despise the use of American force abroad. But I suppose "imperialism" as you use it is a replacement for "anybody I don't agree with".
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As for Srebrenica, it was politically instituted fraud from the pentagon
That's a new one. I've read alternate accounts (such as those you just posted), but not even they claim that the Pentagon orchestrated ethnically-motivated reprisal killings.
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Originally posted by erdega
Who cares what anyone here says ?
Lol. Rich.
MisterOpus1
I know Erdega is not here to defend himself, but I do have to say GOOD FREAKING GOD MAN! I get the distinct impression that he somehow equates being an American and loving our country is somehow equivalent to supporting the war, being a ing neocon, being an imperialist, and coddling the nutsack of George W. Bush.
It does not, nor has it ever equated to that, Erdega. If I didn't know any better (and hey, maybe I don't), it really looks like you're demonstrating some sincere borderline paranoia here.
There's a great many of us (i.e. the majority of our country) that do NOT support this war, do NOT support Bush, and do NOT support neocon foreign policy. So please, please, please kindly understand this. While I think you've made some cogent points about certain leaders and demonstrating corruption, doublespeak, and short-sighted views amongst both parties representing American government, you really need to take a step back and understand that not EVERYONE supports ALL leaders in this regard. Furthermore, hardly ANYONE supports a given leader on ALL political stances he/she takes.
You seem very passionate about neocon imperialism. I fully support your views on this, and it is most certainly one of the biggest factors I examine in all of my candidates with their foreign policy. But keep in mind that it's not THE deciding factor for me in choosing a candidate, although it is a major one. And for others, it is not THE deciding factor at all. Does that make me a "neocon" like you accused me of once before? Does that make anyone a neocon when this issue is not their deciding factor in choosing a candidate? Of course not.
So when you do come back, all I ask is for you to have a bit more of a perspective on this. I know how much you are against this war, and again there's many others like myself that share your feelings. Just keep that in mind, please.
