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BiG MiKE
quote:
Originally posted by verndogs
unfortunately, the chances of getting a top 3 pick goes down with every win, so even when Isiah gets the boot we lose in the long run


:p

So you're saying we should lose each game?
Trancealot
quote:
Originally posted by BiG MiKE
:p

So you're saying we should lose each game?


Lose each game would put them back right where they are. MINOR CHANGES FROM THIS POINT. No more trade draft picks, trades ....let this team build with what they have.
If it was the end of the season then who cares but they are still on life support as of now

Next game washington: Beat them before so thei three game win streak better have them prepared and not easy going
After that game: Heat. If they don't beat the heat this 3 game win streak was a fluke!!

PS: Still get rid of stephon
verndogs
quote:
Originally posted by BiG MiKE
:p

So you're saying we should lose each game?



YES


There is NO hope for this season. I repeat NONE. There won't be as long as Isiah is at the helm
Trancealot
quote:
Originally posted by verndogs
YES


There is NO hope for this season. I repeat NONE. There won't be as long as Isiah is at the helm


The way you talk about the knicks I can't tell if you love them or hate'em :toothless :wtf:

For me the knicks are a stress ball I can squeeze whenever I feel.
Isiah won 3 so why can't he win one more maybe even two

The NYpost might have to show "KNICKS WIN STREAK AT 4" next time they play. Watch out :nervous:

PS. Stephon said now he has to get sugery. I bet someone said "Its a good idea you get surgery AKA. take some time off while the knicks do well without you"
BiG MiKE
quote:
Originally posted by Trancealot
The way you talk about the knicks I can't tell if you love them or hate'em :toothless :wtf:


He should just not be a fan anymore and root for someone else :p Isiah ain't goin' nowhere :tongue3
verndogs
quote:
Originally posted by Trancealot
The way you talk about the knicks I can't tell if you love them or hate'em :toothless :wtf:


If I really hated the Knicks, I'd be pleased right now. I'd want Isiah to stay there forever and keep leading the Knicks to the promised land of mediocrity.

As for questioning my loyalty for the Knicks, I love the Knicks. I live by the team and I die by the team (as I have been doing this decade). My first memories of the Knicks was watching a Pitino coached squad of Ewing, Wilkins, Mark Jackson, Tucker, etc lose to the Celtics back in the 88 playoffs. I go way back.

I root against them because I want wholesale changes. This team was horribly constructed and tweaked by Isiah. All these quick fixes he's done via trade and the mid level exception have backfired. The potential for this team, when playing its best, is nothing more than a 1st round exit in the playoffs. Almost 5 years of Isiah at the helm and all he can do is hope to bring the Knicks to mediocrity? It's a joke.

Remember when Don Nelson was axed because he coached the Knicks to only 9 games over .500 back in the 96 season? You remember back in the 90s when this basketball crazed city held high standards for the Knicks, championship caliber or bust? I still hold the Knicks to that standard. We were nowhere near a championship caliber team back when Isiah started and we're nowhere near a championship caliber team today. I want to see the Knicks win a title before I have great grandchildren, not hopethey make the 2nd round of the playoffs by the time I'm 80.

The only way we'll progress to competing for the NBA title is get a competent GM to blow up the team, get ourselves under the cap and start the whole process again.
Trancealot
quote:
Originally posted by verndogs
If I really hated the Knicks, I'd be pleased right now. I'd want Isiah to stay there forever and keep leading the Knicks to the promised land of mediocrity.

As for questioning my loyalty for the Knicks, I love the Knicks. I live by the team and I die by the team (as I have been doing this decade). My first memories of the Knicks was watching a Pitino coached squad of Ewing, Wilkins, Mark Jackson, Tucker, etc lose to the Celtics back in the 88 playoffs. I go way back.

I root against them because I want wholesale changes. This team was horribly constructed and tweaked by Isiah. All these quick fixes he's done via trade and the mid level exception have backfired. The potential for this team, when playing its best, is nothing more than a 1st round exit in the playoffs. Almost 5 years of Isiah at the helm and all he can do is hope to bring the Knicks to mediocrity? It's a joke.

Remember when Don Nelson was axed because he coached the Knicks to only 9 games over .500 back in the 96 season? You remember back in the 90s when this basketball crazed city held high standards for the Knicks, championship caliber or bust? I still hold the Knicks to that standard. We were nowhere near a championship caliber team back when Isiah started and we're nowhere near a championship caliber team today. I want to see the Knicks win a title before I have great grandchildren, not hopethey make the 2nd round of the playoffs by the time I'm 80.

The only way we'll progress to competing for the NBA title is get a competent GM to blow up the team, get ourselves under the cap and start the whole process again.


points in your argument:

Don nelson, Larry brown, Riley, etc.. Hall of fame coaches and then there is Isiah. Obviously some are meant to coach only, play well and coach well and just play. You know who's who in that category. Why they fired larry???(That was the fans fault and he was a great coach)

Knicks fans deserve to be Hot and cold. When your team has highest payroll then having a microscope is fine with me for the bad or good.

Right now the Knicks are in a recession just like our country still finding themselves but no changes were mentioned lately except FIRE ISAISH FIRE ISAIH CHANTS. Well as the quote he said goes "When I am fired you will all know" Lets keep a team a team and not redo the mess they got themselves in. That will take longer and waste more valuble resources at hand which is the goal of winning.

By the way my actual fav team is Orlando since the SHAQ era.
I'll never forget..Nick Anderson remembered for the 4 missed free throws in Game 1 of the '95 Finals). :whip:
I only talk about the knicks because they are more interesting.
Orlando this year is just like last year: Good at the beginning of the seaosn and its only down hill where they make the playoffs. Great players this year but they get tired too fast into the season.

Other than that this will be an interesting 3-4 months ahead of us if we VERNDOGS, BIG MIKE, whoeever else wants to join in on the knowledge of the knicks and how to solve there internal(basketball) and sadly this year external(sexual harrasemts) issues as well to lead them to the promise land called the playoffs(BABY STEPS):disbelief

Peace
verndogs
I couldn't agree more with Chad Ford's article on Grading Isiah and on How to Fix the Knicks

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insi...6lid%3dtab3pos1
Trancealot
Knicks beat against 76ers 89-81 ehhh Battle of the crap teams
and almost forgot to mention

Check it Out
quote:
NEW YORK -- The New York Knicks said coach Isiah Thomas wouldn't comment Friday on a report that his 19-year-old son was arrested for underage drinking in Bloomington, Ind.


:eyespop: , :whip: , :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Knicks with Isiah is like Murphy's Law
verndogs
quote:
Originally posted by Trancealot
Knicks beat against 76ers 89-81 ehhh Battle of the crap teams
and almost forgot to mention

Check it Out


:eyespop: , :whip: , :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Knicks with Isiah is like Murphy's Law


fest was more like it.

phuzzyfish12
quote:
Originally posted by Trancealot
points in your argument:

Don nelson, Larry brown, Riley, etc.. Hall of fame coaches and then there is Isiah. Obviously some are meant to coach only, play well and coach well and just play. You know who's who in that category. Why they fired larry???(That was the fans fault and he was a great coach)

Knicks fans deserve to be Hot and cold. When your team has highest payroll then having a microscope is fine with me for the bad or good.

Right now the Knicks are in a recession just like our country still finding themselves but no changes were mentioned lately except FIRE ISAISH FIRE ISAIH CHANTS. Well as the quote he said goes "When I am fired you will all know" Lets keep a team a team and not redo the mess they got themselves in. That will take longer and waste more valuble resources at hand which is the goal of winning.

Peace
preach brother preach
verndogs
quote:
Originally posted by Trancealot
points in your argument:

Don nelson, Larry brown, Riley, etc.. Hall of fame coaches and then there is Isiah. Obviously some are meant to coach only, play well and coach well and just play. You know who's who in that category. Why they fired larry???(That was the fans fault and he was a great coach)


he was fired beacuse he violated Dolan's laughable media policy

quote:
Originally posted by Trancealot

Right now the Knicks are in a recession just like our country still finding themselves but no changes were mentioned lately except FIRE ISAISH FIRE ISAIH CHANTS. Well as the quote he said goes "When I am fired you will all know" Lets keep a team a team and not redo the mess they got themselves in. That will take longer and waste more valuble resources at hand which is the goal of winning.


This team is such a mess, the only logical thing to do is to just blow this team up and start from scratch. The Knicks have to stop mortgaging the future with these ludicrous mid level signings and trades and clear up as much cap space as they can.

Keeping this team and trying to tweak it is the worst thing Isiah can do. He's been doing it for four years and look where it lead the Knicks. It led them to the promised wasteland.

Unfortunately logic and Isiah/Dolan mix like oil and water
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