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It's Darwin week, on the Guardian's website (pg. 4)
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| RickyM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
Now dont get me wrong, im not an atheist.. I do believe that matter cannot simply appear from no where and nothing creates something. There has to be a higher level of creation. Until its proven that matter can be created from nothing i will continue to believe in some sort of higher being.
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That always strikes me as strange...the creationist argues that a simple lifeform could not be created from nothing, yet they're prepared to accept that complex intelligence (i.e. God) was just 'there' at the start.
I got some gospel hall leaflet/brochure through my letterbox this morning. It argued that due to the complexity of the eye, it could not have evolved, and must have been designed/created. They then begged the question (obviously!) that it was God.
They were perfectly ok with the idea that God could just be there (infitely more complex than an eye...)but that an eye could not have evolved and therefore required design.
It just strikes me as odd, surely the idea of complex intelligence just 'being there' is harder to swallow than simple lifeforms evolving into more complex organisms.
The funniest part on the leaflet though was when they were explaining the complexity of the eye, and that flies have thousands of eyes.
They then stated that this is why it is so hard to swat a fly, as it can see whatever it is you're aiming at it, and thus fly away.
Doesn't really explain why it's very easy to kill a fly with a fly swatter though does it? Surely the fly should see the fly swatter coming ;). It seems these people will make up any old nonsense to support their 'argument'. |
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| miamitrance04 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
Of course there are holes in evolution. we only have a fossil record for an extremely small amount of species that have ever existed on this planet. Out of 500,000,000 species 490,000,000 are extinct. So we dont have a good representation of what a phylogeny would look like from bacteria to vertebrate.
convergent evolution sometimes displays wierd anomalies. For example. The gene for blindness is on the same chromosome of a fly as it is for a human. Since our eyes have evolved independently (flies are protostomes and humans are deutorostomes) what are the chances that a gene for blindness would occur on our same chromosomes? Thats more of a fluke.
But again, evolution has only so many mechanisms, it repeats itself all to often as we see similar traits over and over again.
If life did cease to exist on this planet and then started up again, it would be very likely that the organisms would be very similar.
Funny isnt it?
Evolution is the best and most explanatory theory we have right now and it does make alot of sense. It would be very ignorant to just look it over. It is actually a science now and plays a significant role in genetics, pharmacology and chemistry. |
people should take notes from you on how to reply with KNOWLEDGE to someone that doesnt see eye to eye with you, unlike half of the morons here that sit on their high horse and OMGWTF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD WE HAVE TO BE TOTALLY IMMATURE AND CURSE AT YOU AND FEEL SMARTER THAN YOU WHILE DOING IT :rolleyes: |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitrance04
people should take notes from you on how to reply with KNOWLEDGE to someone that doesnt see eye to eye with you, unlike half of the morons here that sit on their high horse and OMGWTF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD WE HAVE TO BE TOTALLY IMMATURE AND CURSE AT YOU AND FEEL SMARTER THAN YOU WHILE DOING IT :rolleyes: |
Or, you could've read the first paragraph:
| quote: | | Darwin was no atheist, he didn't say humans came from monkeys |
Really, if you couldn't read that, most people won't bother posting a lengthy explanation ;) |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitrance04
people should take notes from you on how to reply with KNOWLEDGE to someone that doesnt see eye to eye with you, unlike half of the morons here that sit on their high horse and OMGWTF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD WE HAVE TO BE TOTALLY IMMATURE AND CURSE AT YOU AND FEEL SMARTER THAN YOU WHILE DOING IT :rolleyes: |
or, we could just curse and mock you because giving the pretense of a debate lends credibility to your idiotic notions. you must EARN your place at the table, saying there are "holes" in evolution doesn't cut it. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitrance04
people should take notes from you on how to reply with KNOWLEDGE to someone that doesnt see eye to eye with you, unlike half of the morons here that sit on their high horse and OMGWTF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD WE HAVE TO BE TOTALLY IMMATURE AND CURSE AT YOU AND FEEL SMARTER THAN YOU WHILE DOING IT :rolleyes: |
I have no problem with people believing in God. I have a problem with people who bury their heads in the sand when scientists infinitely more knowledgeable on complex subjects present pertinent information that clearly demonstrates how theres is no POSSIBLE other solution to human evolution than us evolving from monkeys. (I'm paraphrasing here and I am NOT an expert), but I read a fantastic article in which several scientists working on decoding the human genome successfully showed that humans suffered from the same diseases millions of years ago that certain primates had. The evidence is embedded into our DNA like a time line of diseases and subsequent immunities we evolved with over millions of years. It's just not possible that by a coincidence we also suffered from the same exact epidemics at the same exact time and developed the same exact immunities. Unless you just choose to say "well I think thats hearsay" in the face of people who have spent their entire lives on the subject.
I mean, it took a while for everyone to start agreeing that the world was in fact, NOT flat, but now where are we on that? There are so many clear, definitive, solid arguments in favor of evolution that it just really shocks certain people (like myself) when someone will just all over scientists who have spent years figuring out these amazing complexities just to say "Well I don't believe that", because I don't see it as a question of faith. Read the opinions of people who know more than you, I enjoy it, and I am much more inclined to believe scientists than the alternative. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
or, we could just curse and mock you because giving the pretense of a debate lends credibility to your idiotic notions. you must EARN your place at the table, saying there are "holes" in evolution doesn't cut it. |
I've never once seen anything remotely close to a decent argument from you and here you come out and say "you must EARN your place at the table." What table is this? Of Retards? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
I have no problem with people believing in God. I have a problem with people who bury their heads in the sand when scientists infinitely more knowledgeable on complex subjects present pertinent information that clearly demonstrates how theres is no POSSIBLE other solution to human evolution than us evolving from monkeys. (I'm paraphrasing here and I am NOT an expert), but I read a fantastic article in which several scientists working on decoding the human genome successfully showed that humans suffered from the same diseases millions of years ago that certain primates had. The evidence is embedded into our DNA like a time line of diseases and subsequent immunities we evolved with over millions of years. It's just not possible that by a coincidence we also suffered from the same exact epidemics at the same exact time and developed the same exact immunities. Unless you just choose to say "well I think thats hearsay" in the face of people who have spent their entire lives on the subject.
I mean, it took a while for everyone to start agreeing that the world was in fact, NOT flat, but now where are we on that? There are so many clear, definitive, solid arguments in favor of evolution that it just really shocks certain people (like myself) when someone will just all over scientists who have spent years figuring out these amazing complexities just to say "Well I don't believe that", because I don't see it as a question of faith. Read the opinions of people who know more than you, I enjoy it, and I am much more inclined to believe scientists than the alternative. |
i endorse the above opinion. |
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| miamitrance04 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Or, you could've read the first paragraph:
Really, if you couldn't read that, most people won't bother posting a lengthy explanation ;) |
my first post was a joke. but i forgot the internetz is serious business!!!!11
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
or, we could just curse and mock you because giving the pretense of a debate lends credibility to your idiotic notions. you must EARN your place at the table, saying there are "holes" in evolution doesn't cut it. |
are you a cocky arrogant douchebag in real life or is this just your internet persona that you put on which miserably fails at making people feel stupid because they dont care to have the same opinion as you??? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
I've never once seen anything remotely close to a decent argument from you and here you come out and say "you must EARN your place at the table." What table is this? Of Retards? |
well its not my fault if youre unable to recognise things when you see them. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitrance04
are you a cocky arrogant douchebag in real life or is this just your internet persona that you put on which miserably fails at making people feel stupid because they dont care to have the same opinion as you??? |
no, im pretty much the same arrogant bastard in real life; and i dont try to make people feel stupid because they disagree with me, i make people feel stupid when they are, in fact, stupid.
denying evolution without the least bit of study IS stupid, i hate to tell you. hence the mockery. if say, we were disagreeing about which colour is the nicest, then there would be no mockery.
you brought it on yourself. not everyone has to "respect" your superstitious bull you know. just thinking that reeks of "douchebaggery". |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitrance04
my first post was a joke |
And I did ask you whether you were serious or not. |
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| miamitrance04 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i endorse the above opinion. |
how could you? it is a level headed comprised statement. I have never read anything posted by you in any thread that would deem any kind of response.
anything that has ever been posted in any thread having to do with religion of any kind, God or god, politics, morals, anything with organized structure is followed by some ridiculously asenine post with no rational thought or argument. inferiority complex much??? or is it small man syndrome??? perhaps your a tad bit insecure??? i dont know try figuring it out and maybe you'll be able to post something with substance. |
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