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~+~+~ Trance can't possibly be your fav type genre, is it? ~+~+~ (pg. 9)
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| leph555 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ohbeone
"Can you really like trance as your favorite music?" |
trance? no
EDM? YEA |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I don't think "more musically complex" means "musically superior."
Something like Schoenberg's "Verklarte Nacht" is more complex than most of Mozart's music, but I wouldn't say that it's "superior" at all. |
Ok, this is controversial i guess. If you don't like the term "musical complexity", try the term "technical complexity". Does "technically superior" Sounds better? Perhaps, maybe because the term music, implicitly encompasses the aesthetic perception/impression (not only the objective structure)of the sound as well. So, Schoenberg's piece is "technically superior" to Mozart's, but it is not "musically superior". Although i have the impression that when people say that when something is "musically better", it involves only the technical aspect of it. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by leph555
trance? no
EDM? YEA |
man stop responding lol. |
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| leph555 |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
man stop responding lol. |
YEA!
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| zen_zo |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Tell that to the countless people who had mystical experiences over the music of Dizzy Gillespie and the like through the course of the 20th century.
I mean seriously, just because Jazz for you is a "fail", then it means that is not good? A musical genre which has decades of tradition, with countless musicians, subgenres and fans supporting, enjoying and playing it, suddenly sucks just because you find recent club music to sound better in your mind? This is a hugely biased egocentric view of the world my friend.:stongue: |
OMG since when did countless decades of tradition started influencing music? I mean COMMON!! People in Serengiti and Masai Mara tribes have been beating rocks and dead dear skins for decades.. do I respect that? No, not one percent.. sound that they make is bad 'when compared to new age trance, ambient, lounge' and people there are wasting/killing time.. thats no music.. give them trance CDs and they will start feasting to it..
Similar is the case with with jazz... just because one black guy is shaking his head vigorously while playing saxaphone (or watever you call it) and the bass guitar player is pretending that he is having ing rocking time of his entire ing life .. and than the camera focuses on other black guy sitting on side bench shaking his head because a black guy on stage is playing and other black guy on stage is the bass guitar player who is pretending that he is having ing rocking time of his entire ing life ..dosent mean that jazz is ing awesome..
Recent club music is a breakthroug.. human mankind has found better sound.. a better sense.. and its time to let go of primitive sound.. cos they are no more mnusic.. trance, hip pop, ambient, lounge, chillout.. guitars, synths, piano and a combination of them has invented music... its time to let of primitive sound. and jazz is just that, a primitive sound that people just want to hang on to .. because its a 'tradition'. |
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| ohbeone |
| quote: | Originally posted by leph555
trance? no
EDM? YEA |
Isn't trance EDM? :( |
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| ohbeone |
| quote: | Originally posted by zen_zo
a primitive sound that people just want to hang on to .. because its a 'tradition'. |
Crap that was one of the most racist and egotistic posts I've ever read. Natives will start feasting to it if you play them a trance track? Probably not dude. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Ok, this is controversial i guess. If you don't like the term "musical complexity", try the term "technical complexity". |
"Musical complexity" is actually a relatively uncontroversial term, if you're using it to talk about things like complicated harmonies, modulations, or time signatures. I just disagree with the idea that these things make a genre of music that uses them musically superior to one that makes much less use of them.
A piece of music can be terribly hard to play, modulate into ten different keys, use twenty different time signatures, and still be crap when considered as music -- and in that case it would seem absurd (to me) to label it "musically superior" to a much simpler but more powerful and moving piece.
| quote: | | Does "technically superior" Sounds better? Perhaps, maybe because the term music, implicitly encompasses the aesthetic perception/impression (not only the objective structure)of the sound as well. So, Schoenberg's piece is "technically superior" to Mozart's, but it is not "musically superior". Although i have the impression that when people say that when something is "musically better", it involves only the technical aspect of it. |
"Technical" might be better, but "technical" also has the connotation of "technique," meaning the skills required to play a piece. In that regard, jazz is unquestionably "superior" to trance, since it requires much more skill to play. |
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| zen_zo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I don't think "more musically complex" means "musically superior."
Something like Schoenberg's "Verklarte Nacht" is more complex than most of Mozart's music, but I wouldn't say that it's "superior" at all. |
You finally in end said something sensible. |
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| zen_zo |
| quote: | Originally posted by ohbeone
Crap that was one of the most racist and egotistic posts I've ever read. Natives will start feasting to it if you play them a trance track? Probably not dude. |
Ok dont play then 'white' trance.. give them 'hip pop'.. 'rap'.. for god's sake even \black guys make very emo tracks... give them those.. I dont know what genre they come in.. but jazz .. common.. |
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| leph555 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ohbeone
Isn't trance EDM? :( |
trance is a sub genre of EDM |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by zen_zo
OMG since when did countless decades of tradition started influencing music? I mean COMMON!! People in Serengiti and Masai Mara tribes have been beating rocks and dead dear skins for decades.. do I respect that? No, not one percent.. sound that they make is bad 'when compared to new age trance, ambient, lounge' and people there are wasting/killing time.. thats no music.. give them trance CDs and they will start feasting to it.. |
You should try actually listening to some African music. It's a lot more than just dudes beating on "rocks and dead animal skins." LOL.
| quote: | | Similar is the case with with jazz... just because one black guy is shaking his head vigorously while playing saxaphone (or watever you call it) and the bass guitar player is pretending that he is having ing rocking time of his entire ing life .. and than the camera focuses on other black guy sitting on side bench shaking his head because a black guy on stage is playing and other black guy on stage is the bass guitar player who is pretending that he is having ing rocking time of his entire ing life ..dosent mean that jazz is ing awesome.. |
You might want to actually listen to some jazz. Even though I don't like the stuff that much, I can still appreciate the musicality and talent involved. Listen to the music -- you know, the tones, the melodies, the phrasing, the rhythms and harmonies.
I know it might be difficult for your pill-addled brain, all hung up on big bassdrums and silky timbres and effects, to do this. But give it a try. Really. Try paying attention to the music itself, as music. There are more ways of experiencing music than bathing yourself in the sensory overload of an opening low-pass filter. |
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