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What current genre is kicking it off PRESENTLY? (pg. 3)
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
I'm tempted to agree.
EDM has been stuck in this ponderous rut for a few years now; I expect the next major movement to be something fun and gimmicky. An Italo revival, perhaps? |
I remember that actually was a mini italo-disco revival that happened in 2003-04 or something within the context of the broader "electro-clash" revival. There was a dutch label (and record-shop) called "Clone Records" (or something) which sponsored the sound, i don't know if it still exists though. I even remember the names, you had Legowelt, Alden Tyrell, Kiko, Bangkok Impakt, Putsch '79 and a few others. Tell you what, from the whole "electro-clash (trash)" thing, this was indeed excellent. In all seriousness i loved it, although i can be a bit biased because i like 80s music in general and these tracks were quite retro. But they were retro in a great away and had such amazing melodies.I still listen from time to time to Legowelt, Alden and stuff. Still i don't see it going big. I mean it didn't went big back then when it had the chance and all the potential within the broader retro-electro revival, i even remembers whole articles in DJ Mag dedicated to the new sound of "italo".
The thing is that such things don't go big because they are not big. If you need something do get big, you need it to sound big in a big soundsystem! For example in trance you had these hyper-massive breakdowns and the mega-super-epic-saw lead that vibrates through your body, or that big progressive 00s sound (we were talking about on the other thread) with the big low-end and the heavy tribal drums, or big electro fartbasses (of electro-house) that shake your bones (geenerally disturbing you). To tell you the truth, all these big sounds are kinda stupid,so i don't know if its good for something to be big, except for the odd intelligent prog track which could have some nice trippy melody and effects, or yes i'll tell you my sin, that super-saw lead some times was nice it felt like having mystical experiences and i was not into drugs lol.Well, i liked "El Nino"! I prefer "El Nino" to 80% of todays minimal releases! |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Gauss
Even if all music production of this world stopped right now, all of you could listen to music that's new to you for the rest of your life.
If EDM production starts to stagnate, you know what to do. Discogs is your friend. |
We are not arguing that they are no genres outside EDM. Ofcourse there are, genres outside EDM is what keeps me musically sane! We are arguing about the state within EDM (which IMO is not good). There are always good stuff in music, and the years 2006 and 2007 were some AMAZING years for music (non-EDM!). |
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| costizzle |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Sex Core. |
+1
-electronic music is not dead. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
ITALO DISCO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Give me a few more months, and I'm going to seek your advice, O Italo Wise One. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
The thing is that such things don't go big because they are not big. If you need something do get big, you need it to sound big in a big soundsystem! |
I don't know, I've heard plenty Italo that sounds big, especially given 1983 production constraints.
I'm aware of the mini-revival you're talking about, but only learned about it recently. It's worth noting that there have been more recent moves toward the Italo sound, such as Sally Shapiro. Danny Howells played a late 2007 Italo production last month, Rude 66 - The 1000 Year Storm. So I wouldn't count it out quite yet. |
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| AustralianGQ |
| progressive/uplifting/baleric trance is big now in the trance scene i find. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Nah, deep house has been here like forever (the timewriter and stuff) and it never went big because the very nature of it doesn't allow it to get big. Deep house is not something which is suited for
"big rooms", it is rather the cool chill house which is destined for cool lounge bars or smaller more chill-out clubs. Even tech-house which is a stripped-down, dirtier version of the sound is more suited for smaller darker clubs. |
agreed
i've said it before
deep house isn't commercially viable for the big room culture
it's too boring for most people, too subdued. It doesn't beg for attention. it generally avoids gimmicks and as petran said, by its nature it resists fads.
really deep house will remain relegated to opening sets and ing amazing small parties that only a dedicated few know/care about.
of course there is more accesible stuff being played all the time, but like I said, only for openings. DJs seem to always feel some need to consummate their performance by playing bombastic, anthemic, crowdpleasing music, as if they need to reach an obvious peak before it can end.
in my experience clubbing and deejaying, the best nights are those where the subtlety of the deejay allows for a series of lesser peaks that increase in intensity, something that can be achieved through subtle means with dynamic, carefully placed music and dynamic, thoughtful mixing.
deep house is especially suited to that for its subtlety, which minimal for example also shares, but what minimal lacks generally is atmosphere, and often its concept and sound is turned into a cartoon or parody of itself, a sort of absurdist experience which is either far too cerebral or far too narcotic... as ewan pearson says in feiern "somebody could bang a wooden spoon on a saucepan- as long as you did it in time, nobody would go home"
the only kind of deep house that could be viable might be the vocal loungey stuff like OM records, naked music, etc, but I think it gets too formulaic and most people can only appreciate a little of it at time.
when it comes to deep house most contemporary consumers can't deal with the subtlety, the tantalizing, tantric non-linearity of it all, they can't deal with the idea of going out to anything other than a show. and just so it's known, i'm not talking about timewriter deep house or terry lee brown jr, which is slightly more dancefloor oriented, but stuff like glenn underground, kevin yost, manoo, older deep house like code 718 - equinox, ltj bukem's 'mellow' comp, etc
people love to reach for the lasers, bottom line |
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| DiegoParra32 |
| Whoever is arguing that EDM is dead is looking for it in the wrong places. Their is plenty of good edm being put out lately, you just have to look for it. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
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Great post. I completely agree. This is what I should have said about deep house. I have to admit that I'm a sucker for big-room styles, and that's why it doesn't have traction with me. I think it's beautiful, subtle, soulful music, but it doesn't push my favorite buttons. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
ITALO DISCO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im telling you.. you see it in the influence in all these "electro house" tracks
when they have nothing to do with electro in reality |
all i have to say about italo is:
Chateau Flight - Grn Aventurine
find me a person who wouldn't flip out on this track in a club |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
all i have to say about italo is:
Chateau Flight - Grn Aventurine
find me a person who wouldn't flip out on this track in a club |
Sounds like something Ewan Pearson would start out with. Good track but I dunno if I'd flip out to it. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by DiegoParra32
Whoever is arguing that EDM is dead is looking for it in the wrong places. Their is plenty of good edm being put out lately, you just have to look for it. |
Told you it would come. |
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