Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Yep. I've been talking about this kind of thing for a while, the current "cheapness" of music and how it might make it seem less "important" to people on a subjective level. Pasting something I wrote in another thread:
"...in the digital age it's ridiculously easy to saturate yourself with new electronic music of all kinds, discussion with likeminded listeners, DJ sets, production, etc. Anything you want (except for that old fresh feeling of "newness") is right at your fingertips, a few clicks or keyboard strokes away.
When I think of what EDM culture must have been like before the Internet, a metaphor comes to mind: starvation. If you lived anywhere but in a few big cities, your exposure to new electronic music would be extremely limited. When you found a record of some previously-unheard-of genre of music in a shop, it must have felt like a little miracle happened or something, like finding an oasis in a desert."
I think the argument about the "cheapness" of music may also apply to the means used to create music
A few more sketchy thoughts:
1. I think that people are generally becoming "overstimulated," for lack of a better word. I tend to think that the best creativity happens when people let themselves just work away at their art for a long time, uninterrupted, by themselves or maybe with a friend or two. But the way things are headed now...
...with cell phones and instant messengers and the hundreds of hours of music that everybody has on their hard drives and the constant temptation to turn on the Internet for some amusement (I've grudgingly come to accept that the 'net can be at least as much of a brainless time-waster as TV ever was)...
...there may end up being a lot less uninterrupted "creative time," simply because there are so many possible distractions.
2. I also think that people using their everyday e-mail-school-word-processing-net-browsing-etc. computer as the centerpiece of their "studios" might put them in a different mindset than if they just had a pile of equipment whose sole purpose was to make music. Who knows...
3. Another thing is the connectivity brought by the Internet and the way it might change producers' attitudes toward their potential audience. It's so much easier for a producer to figure out what's "popular" in the world at large and get tracks out there for evaluation. I think what this may do is make producers more sensitive, even oversensitive, to the reactions of others, even to the point where they might construct a track along certain lines, e.g., "I'm gonna make something that *insert big international DJ here* would play;" not out of any unique artistic conviction, but simply because they want to make something that's more likely to "get heard."
I think that the way the EDM scene used to be more "dispersed," for the most part composed of local enthusiasts and weirdos, may have led more people to say " it" and just do whatever the heck they wanted, just exploring sounds and arrangements with complete freedom, since God knew they weren't going to get famous or wealthy off of making bleepy dance music.
4. Final point I think, is that the Internet revolution has to a large extent "depersonalized" the way that people locate and consume music. You don't really have to interact with anyone, certainly not face to face, to find new tracks or buy stuff or hear a set or get your tracks heard or whatever. It used to be that whole new genres of music would get named after specific places -- "garage" for the Paradise Garage, "house" at The Warehouse -- can you really imagine that ever happening again?
I sure can't.
I think that taking the face to face element away, and also effectively separating "dance music" from the visceral "dance" aspect of it, may have drained some vitality out of EDM.
Hopefully at least a few people have the energy to read all that. :wtf:
good post. It goes along with my philosophies about the computer/technology and its impact on art, especially music. However id have to add that what you are saying is true for every genre out there. Music of all genres are accessible in the internet/computer generation, you can hang out on myspace and consume endless amounts of music of any genre without even knowing anything about P2P or torrents. So music is highly accessible without stealing. Go to a school library, within a few minutes someone will sit down next to you, plug in their headphones into the computer and surf myspace or yahoo music and listen to music, while you say to yourself, how crazy is that, they came to the library to listen to streaming quality music? I probably love hip hop as much as EDM but look how ty hip hop has become in the past 5 years, and look how ridiculous the culture behind it has become. So what your saying isnt exclusive to EDM music nor the EDM scene.
stevësto
i think minimal has a lot more room to grow. we're just seeing the beginning. i mean house and techno with a minimal aspect/influence to be exact.
this video is the only one i can find that explains what i mean. this is a new type of minimal i heard occasionally at wmc this year. whats different about this type is it has "steam" building for a long time, until it gets so loud it morphs and is revealed as actually different high frequency sounds going on at the same time, which seperate into individual layers. very cool stuff.
no its not ground breaking different from other minimal, but it is noticeably different. especially noticeably different when on mdma. it has more of a euphoric feel to it that really hits you if you happen to be on that drug. whereas other minimal tracks would do almost nothing for your roll, since they appeal more to the hypnotic/psychedelic type sounds, this track would come on and it would make the hairs stand on your neck and give you a sense of euphoric tension. euphoric minimal.
you have to hear it live, on youtube it sounds like any other minimal track. its all in the precise details of this well engineered sound. also another quality to it is you can turn the volume so loud that you can feel it, but the louder parts of the track come at such a rapid frequency of very very short pulses that you end up with something that is loud but quiet at the same time, you can carry a conversation yet feel vibrations shaking your hair and skin.
PETRAN
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Originally posted by LionsLair
good post. It goes along with my philosophies about the computer/technology and its impact on art, especially music. However id have to add that what you are saying is true for every genre out there. Music of all genres are accessible in the internet/computer generation, you can hang out on myspace and consume endless amounts of music of any genre without even knowing anything about P2P or torrents. So music is highly accessible without stealing. Go to a school library, within a few minutes someone will sit down next to you, plug in their headphones into the computer and surf myspace or yahoo music and listen to music, while you say to yourself, how crazy is that, they came to the library to listen to streaming quality music? I probably love hip hop as much as EDM but look how ty hip hop has become in the past 5 years, and look how ridiculous the culture behind it has become. So what your saying isnt exclusive to EDM music nor the EDM scene.
It is mostly commercial or club music and stuff (such as EDM and hip-hop) that is affected the most though.
Cobalt
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Originally posted by stev�sto
this video is the only one i can find that explains what i mean. this is a new type of minimal i heard occasionally at wmc this year. whats different about this type is it has "steam" building for a long time, until it gets so loud it morphs and is revealed as actually different high frequency sounds going on at the same time, which seperate into individual layers. very cool stuff.
... euphoric minimal.
Very interesting. I rather like this, though I'm not sure what a whole set of it would feel like.
ohbeone
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Originally posted by Cobalt
Very interesting. I rather like this, though I'm not sure what a whole set of it would feel like.
Sounded kinda like a never ending build but it kept changing slightly. Barely heard the kick come in. Interesting...Was there whole sets of stuff like that?
InDeepSpace
DUBSTEP!!!
Clovis
You guys have never heard tunes like that? :wtf: :wtf:
nefardec
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Originally posted by stev�sto
i think minimal has a lot more room to grow. we're just seeing the beginning. i mean house and techno with a minimal aspect/influence to be exact.
this video is the only one i can find that explains what i mean. this is a new type of minimal i heard occasionally at wmc this year. whats different about this type is it has "steam" building for a long time, until it gets so loud it morphs and is revealed as actually different high frequency sounds going on at the same time, which seperate into individual layers. very cool stuff.
no its not ground breaking different from other minimal, but it is noticeably different. especially noticeably different when on mdma. it has more of a euphoric feel to it that really hits you if you happen to be on that drug. whereas other minimal tracks would do almost nothing for your roll, since they appeal more to the hypnotic/psychedelic type sounds, this track would come on and it would make the hairs stand on your neck and give you a sense of euphoric tension. euphoric minimal.
you have to hear it live, on youtube it sounds like any other minimal track. its all in the precise details of this well engineered sound. also another quality to it is you can turn the volume so loud that you can feel it, but the louder parts of the track come at such a rapid frequency of very very short pulses that you end up with something that is loud but quiet at the same time, you can carry a conversation yet feel vibrations shaking your hair and skin.
that's hardly minimal - sounds like a guy gerber track. his remix of bedolff, no? that's just the breakdown though
this is like emocircustech
stefan goldmann comes to mind..., chaim, kaliber, etc
i don't know it's ok but i like my techno rare rather than well-done, if you know what i mean
tonight - daniel bell for 7 hours - now this is minimal. can't wait
ohbeone
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Originally posted by nefardec
that's just the breakdown though
Well that makes sense hehe. Couldn't see a whole set of what that whole clip showed. Perhaps it was the mdma making the poster think it was some new genre. :tongue2
wolftickets
Microtrance/ITM
PETRAN
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Originally posted by wolftickets
Microtrance/ITM
The Field is like "Microtrance" at times.
Cobalt
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Originally posted by stev�sto
this video is the only one i can find that explains what i mean. this is a new type of minimal i heard occasionally at wmc this year. whats different about this type is it has "steam" building for a long time, until it gets so loud it morphs and is revealed as actually different high frequency sounds going on at the same time, which seperate into individual layers. very cool stuff.
