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How to innovate trance...?
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| Barachem |
I've been reading and discussing about the so called e state of current trance.
I admit, there's much out there even if there are some gems.
Personal tastes aside, what should future tracks bring to refresh and renew the genre and scene? |
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| Ted Promo |
Vibrasphere
Asura
and that's about the extent of my knowledge regarding new and "innovative" trance artists. |
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Barachem
Personal tastes aside, what should future tracks bring to refresh and renew the genre and scene? |
Hell if I know. Usually whenever something new and fresh crops up, it's the least expected (hence being 'new' and 'fresh'). |
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| skip |
| quote: | Originally posted by Barachem
Personal tastes aside, what should future tracks bring to refresh and renew the genre and scene? |
emotion.
if i made music, i'd try to base it on my emotions and not think about how it should sound etc.
nowadays producers seem to think like this:
"let's make a track that goes like this and sounds like this"
i'd like them not to think at all, but rather try to put what they feel in to the sequencer (or whatever the they use to make music) and make the tracks based on that. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by skip
emotion.
if i made music, i'd try to base it on my emotions and not think about how it should sound etc.
nowadays producers seem to think like this:
"let's make a track that goes like this and sounds like this"
i'd like them not to think at all, but rather try to put what they feel in to the sequencer (or whatever the they use to make music) and make the tracks based on that. |
I don't think that's quite true.
I'm sure that a lot of these trance producers produce for emotions as well. Trance emotions are (limited to) 'banging', 'uplifting/euphoric', 'chill/balearic', etc
When they start making tracks I'm sure they know they want to make an uplifting track, or a chill track, or a banging track. The problem is that they are just really unoriginal and maybe also campy |
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| RebeL9 |
Ticon - Zero Six After
This album is a great take on trance music. I've heard few trance albums as innovative as this one. |
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| PETRAN |
First of all, the sound must get rid of supersaws, cliche lead-lines and anthemic end-of-summer melodies, large breaks and overproduction. Enough is enough! I took a listen to these new tracks my Mike Nichol and Kamil Polner, and i couldn't distinquish one melodic element from another. Its like a maelstrom of ultra-reverbarated saw elements which in the end sound disturbing and unpleasant to the ear. Not to mention the trance-lead by numbers. BPMs sould also decrease. Now of course, you have this slower trance, proggier, "Anjuna-Deep" style or whatever, and this is boring as hell, the melodies are IMO cliche and uninspired.
Trance should drop all these elements and rediscover itself. And this probably doesn't only go to Trance, but to Progressive and Techno and House and generally, to the majority of current EDM. Its just that Trance has become the most formulaic of the lot, causing the most boredom and hate!
Yes, anthem trance was good and i'll personally remember the end-of-90s "Epic" sound with Solar Stone, Chicane, Katcha, Lost Tribe, Paul Van Dyk, Kamaya Painters, Airwave, Push etc...those were great sutff and they'll be remembered, the great epic, lush sound of the end-of 90s. But, you know, now its 2008...its been 10 years since this stuff were at their peak. Its stupid to still try to make something similar to that older stuff just because it works at the dance-floor. Not only you currently produce a low-quality product by using once-great elements in a generic way, (at times just for the puspose of selling), you also "distort" the sound's past, giving the impression that the music was always , and that you were also stupid for listening.
My opinion is drop the BPMs, give trance its lost early-90s rhythm. Back in that era, the rhythms were integrated with the melodies. They were not just providing the fast, generic backbone of the track. Furthermore, produce melodies with more types of synth-sounds rather than the typical saw-synth. IMO, the use of more analogue, real, organic instruments like violins, cellos and quitars could give an extra arty twist to the sound ("art-trance" anyone?) and a more refreshing feel, free of that plastic riffage which we are used to.
The most important: Stop producing "Anthems" for the sake of producing them. The era of anthem-trance is over. Its time to make trance with more varied melodies, atmospheres and moods and not the typical "end-of-summer-anthem-nostalgia" which almost all tracks from 1997 seem to express. Its time to make happy melodies and sad melodies, angry melodies, dark melodies, enigmatic melodies, uncertain melodies, post-apocalyptic melodies, heavenly melodies , utopian melodies, nightmarish melodies, hellish melodies, epic melodies, mysterious melodies, mystical melodies, dynamic melodies, ecstatic melodies, universal melodies. There is such a vast range of human emotions, such an endless combination of musical layers and so much advanced technology, and despite that, musicians have become one-trick ponnies, pressing the same buttons and using the same tricks, tricks which are only secret and unknown to the very young of listeners (before realizing themselves that these tricks are quite old...). Music, Technology and the Human Mind are vast. Why just use the 1%? |
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| Subtle |
The problem is that todays Trance is Dance. And not Trance.
its all about happy plucks, rising popularity and to sound like ASOT, with some vocals chopped up and delivered.
There are great innovative trance tracks released still.
But they are overshadowed by the 1000 of producers making the same sounds over and over again.
What i think has killed Trance, is that is purely made for DJs to play it out on the Dancefloor. |
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| Subtle |
If the big DJs had stopped playing the ty trance, people might have opened their eyes to some cooler and more innovative music.
If Armin and started playing what Lawrence or Joof are playing, we would see some change in the scene. Either by dropping popularity or more innovative music. Both being a good thing. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
I don't think that's quite true.
I'm sure that a lot of these trance producers produce for emotions as well. Trance emotions are (limited to) 'banging', 'uplifting/euphoric', 'chill/balearic', etc
When they start making tracks I'm sure they know they want to make an uplifting track, or a chill track, or a banging track. The problem is that they are just really unoriginal and maybe also campy |
Similarly to the Detroit and Dub techno you mentioned in the other thread. Tracks from people like Joris Voorn and Vince Watson sound like they are made for the puspose of evoking a very specific type of emotions (the off-chord, moody, jazzy thing). Not to mention dub-techno stuff like Basic Channel which just evoke one emotion, this type of moody druggy feel lol. This is not a problem of Trance, this is a problem of EDM in general! Again, i'm not saying that i don't like these artists. But seriously, they do NOTHING more or NEW in comparison to current trance artists, nor they create a larger range of emotions.
Hah, this refers to that other "Emotion" thread and the conversation we had... |
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| skip |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
I don't think that's quite true.
I'm sure that a lot of these trance producers produce for emotions as well. Trance emotions are (limited to) 'banging', 'uplifting/euphoric', 'chill/balearic', etc
When they start making tracks I'm sure they know they want to make an uplifting track, or a chill track, or a banging track. The problem is that they are just really unoriginal and maybe also campy |
i think you misunderstood what i was trying to say. so let me try to put it another way:
don't make music knowing what it is that you are making. don't think, at all. just try to put your current feeling into the music. i mean really focus on conveying your feelings and emotions into the music you are making, forget everything else. the end result might be trance or something entirely different. who cares. at least it's better than crap made by thinking what armin would probably play in the next asot. basically what i'm trying to say is that making music should be more about what you feel, not about what kind of music you (think you) want to make. |
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