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Adoption. (pg. 12)
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| pinkbubblegum |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
I cant believe this thread has gone on for two more pages since I left. |
everyone is trying to prove they're smarter than one another |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by pinkbubblegum
sorry I forgot to throw in a couple of % signs and some quotes
often the simplest answer is the correct one |
yes, and you havent provided a single answer, simple or otherwise. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
LOL!!
:stongue:
I don't base my opinions on how "my heart" feels. If you take a look at anything I have said in this thread, I have proven evidence that justifies why I hold that opinion.
People who base what they believe on how they "feel" would absolutely not get along with me.
You know what I have noticed... no one has provided any proof (other than some anecdotes) of why my idealistic opinion is wrong, other than the fact that it is not realistic in our current situation.
Funny how you are the one to claim I am the one who cannot handle justifying my belief when you have not attempted to even try.
Anyone?
P.S. Jenny, I appreciate the attempt to turn this into an actual discussion :) |
I've only read the last two pages, but I'm with you on this one based on what I've seen. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by pinkbubblegum
everyone is trying to prove they're smarter than one another |
not true. those of us that are intellectually gifted already know we're smart. we're merely asking for people to justify their positions that we feel are incorrect. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I've only read the last two pages, but I'm with you on this one based on what I've seen. |
the problem is that theresa is wrong in her assessment. she regularly displays opinions that fly in the face of logic or rationality, in favour of emotionalist appeals. |
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| pinkbubblegum |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yes, and you havent provided a single answer, simple or otherwise. |
whatever
I'm bored with all this. you win. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by pinkbubblegum
whatever |
Why even hit the "reply" button if you don't plan to add anything to an ongoing discussion? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
the problem is that theresa is wrong in her assessment. she regularly displays opinions that fly in the face of logic or rationality, in favour of emotionalist appeals. |
What assessment? From what I've seen she's simply argued that adoption isn't always the best option. Which I would say is a pretty reasonable position. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
because you have no right to tell a parent what to do with their progeny, or remove the right for responsible adults to adopt children.
sometimes in life you have to put up with the negative effects of an activity in order for some people to benefit from the positive. |
Umm... no.
Asked for my opinion - gave my opinion - opinion challenged - justified opinion...
Now what? Should you not justify why you think my opinion is wrong?
As I have said many times, my opinion is idealistic. I know it, you know it, we all know it. Obviously this indicates my clear understanding and acceptance that there will be negatives. However, that does not limit my desire to have it otherwise, and state such.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I've only read the last two pages, but I'm with you on this one based on what I've seen. |
Thanks!
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
not true. those of us that are intellectually gifted already know we're smart. we're merely asking for people to justify their positions that we feel are incorrect. |
That has to be the most idiotic thing you have ever said on these forums. Do you know how much of an ass you sound like?
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
the problem is that theresa is wrong in her assessment. she regularly displays opinions that fly in the face of logic or rationality, in favour of emotionalist appeals. |
My assessment of what exactly? Please explain what "assessment" is wrong. My *opinion* that people should not be putting their children up for adoption? Or the facts that I have provided to justify why I don't think it is right?
This has nothing to do with emotions... it has to do with facts and real lives. I have been very rational and logical, and personally think I have done a good job in providing more than ample reason to have the opinion that I do. You on the other hand continue to spout off a bunch of self-righteous, pompous, and ignorant statements without attempting to make an intelligent reason for doing so.
I no longer wish to continue going back and forth with you until you decide to step off that pedestal of yours and actually have a discussion.
dis·cus·sion Audio Help /dɪˈskʌʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-skuhsh-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., esp. to explore solutions; informal debate.
In case you didn't know, simply telling me that I am wrong, and that you are right is not a discussion.
Thanks :) |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
That's a good point. I don't know that stat on that one, however I am not sure how it is entirely relevant? |
This is valid, because the whole argument about being in the system breeds criminals would be directly relative to the statistics of this. So if 50% of kid become criminals with their birth families, and 50% of the children in the system, then it is no difference.
Also, earlier in the thread you called adoption selfish. Wouldn't it be selfLESS if you gave up a child you didn't have the means to support (yes this DOES happen a lot more often than you would like to think) to a family that can not have kids? I mean you're going through bloody hell with the pain and agony and everything else you must go through. All for someone that just wants a baby.
Oh and the reason most people don't want to adopt a kid in the system, is due to psychological problems, that after a certain age, are impossible to get past. Not that this is necessarily justification, but it's a logical reason to a problem. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
This is valid, because the whole argument about being in the system breeds criminals would be directly relative to the statistics of this. So if 50% of kid become criminals with their birth families, and 50% of the children in the system, then it is no difference.
Also, earlier in the thread you called adoption selfish. Wouldn't it be selfLESS if you gave up a child you didn't have the means to support (yes this DOES happen a lot more often than you would like to think) to a family that can not have kids? I mean you're going through bloody hell with the pain and agony and everything else you must go through. All for someone that just wants a baby.
Oh and the reason most people don't want to adopt a kid in the system, is due to psychological problems, that after a certain age, are impossible to get past. Not that this is necessarily justification, but it's a logical reason to a problem. |
I can see what you're trying to say about the stats regarding criminals. I am going to think on that one for a bit.
Choosing to give up your child because you cannot own up, change your life and actually try to take care of the kid is selfish to me. I don't really believe they're looking out for the best interests of the child, but more the best interests of themselves. They know that if they kept the child, they would have to change. If they didn't change, they know they would feel guilty for providing a ty life. Those are selfish reasons. Knowing you are pregnant and are not going to keep the child, but will not sacrifice your own convictions to have the child aborted, and instead would rather take the chance of sacrificing SOMEONE ELSE'S ENTIRE life, is selfish.
Your last statement further lends to my reasoning that abortion is a better choice than putting children up for adoption. |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
instead would rather take the chance of sacrificing SOMEONE ELSE'S ENTIRE life, is selfish. |
Abortion is sacrificing someone's entire life. :conf: |
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