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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
Actually, I do believe the burden of proof is on you to substantiate your "1 in 1,000,000" claim. ;)
However, basic maths tell me that a 99.8% effective rate means that 2/1000 times will fail. |
Clearly it was an exaggeration, but any reason to join the hating game right?
The only stats I can find have condoms and the pill separate. I cannot seem to find any stats combining the two. Anyone else able to find anything?
http://www.fda.gov/Fdac/features/1997/conceptbl.html
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
oh but you are. saying "my opinion is that women shouldnt adopt out their children" is exactly the same thing if you left off the "my opinion" part.
yes, it is your opinion, but you are clearly displaying what you think should (or in this case should not) happen with regards to the current adoption attitudes and/or guidelines.
you are attempting to speak for the multitude of adoptive children (and parents for that matter) without really having any right to do so. |
That doesn't even make sense. Yes, my opinion challenges that of many other people, but that doesn't stop me from having the right to have the opinion. This thread was asking for opinions - I stated mine. |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
Clearly it was an exaggeration, but any reason to join the hating game right?
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Well, no, actually.
When you're asking for posters in this thread to cite sources for concrete statistics and subsequently posting links to 'evidence' yourself, to go off and make up grossly exaggerated ratios is just kind of ... I don't know, ironic? |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
My next door neighbour was a ward of the government right up until last summer when she turned 18. She is a smart, hard working girl, and will be starting school in the fall for nursing. She works two jobs to pay her rent, and has saved all of her money to pay for school. She's owned 2 cars, both of which she paid cash for.
Doesn't sound like she grew up to abuse the system to me. |
Other problems besides monetary issues may arise in the future. Not always but you never know, obviously these things have an impact on others.
Hopefully she does well..... unless she is a whore. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Ok, T...I'll bite.
If we wanna go "the system" route...do you really think it's any better for these kids if they stay in homes where they aren't wanted, or in environments that are unstable? What do you think it's like to grow up with a parent with a substance abuse problem? Or what if they are abusive? Also, do you think it costs the government any less to support young mothers?? |
This is the reason why I don't think they should give birth at all. None of the options are good options.
So if you want to look at it realistically, you want to say "well Theresa, not everyone is going to abort", fine. I know that is true. However, I was stating what I think should be, not what is, or ever probably will be.
So yes, given the current situation of many people being complete and utter e... but still apparently holding the conviction that abortion is wrong, then yes, putting children up for adoption is a far better option than having deadbeat parents trying to do it. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Lol...no I don't think she's a whore. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
This is the reason why I don't think they should give birth at all. None of the options are good options.
So if you want to look at it realistically, you want to say "well Theresa, not everyone is going to abort", fine. I know that is true. However, I was stating what I think should be, not what is, or every probably will be.
So yes, given the current situation of many people being complete and utter e... but still apparently holding the conviction that abortion is wrong, then yes, putting children up for adoption is a far better option than having deadbeat parents trying to do it. |
Sure, but that didn't really answer all of my questions!
edit: No wait...I guess it does. Ok, so then let's just be hypothetical for a minute, and say that nobody is allowed abortions, ever. The only option is to "be accountable"...now, answer me those questions. :) |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Lol...no I don't think she's a whore. |
One can only wish....  |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
Theresa, your attitude towards adoption is absolutely retarded, I'm sorry.
This is straight up wrong. Children who are under the care of the system usually recieve good education and are better off than ALOT of people in areas, at least in Australia. My grandfather went into the system when he was about 6 or so... and came out the other end an engineer. That was decades ago, when social security was primitive to say the least. Likewise, one of my best mates has been "alone" his entire life and is now at uni. |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
My next door neighbour was a ward of the government right up until last summer when she turned 18. She is a smart, hard working girl, and will be starting school in the fall for nursing. She works two jobs to pay her rent, and has saved all of her money to pay for school. She's owned 2 cars, both of which she paid cash for.
Doesn't sound like she grew up to abuse the system to me. |
One or two examples do not speak for the majority. Great for your grandfather echo.
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
Well, no, actually.
When you're asking for posters in this thread to cite sources for concrete statistics and subsequently posting links to 'evidence' yourself, to go off and make up grossly exaggerated ratios is just kind of ... I don't know, ironic? |
I wasn't providing stats until asked to, or when my statement was challenged for not being legit. It was obvious that it was an exaggeration. I on the other hand asked for a source because I was interested (thinking it was a real stat)... and turns out that it was just a made up stat as well.
There isn't a lot of stats existing for those that go unadopted. However, the little information that does exist suggests that a large amount of unadopted children do not lead a wonderful life afterward.
http://www.athealth.com/Practitione..._KerseyNH2.html
http://homepage.mac.com/bdwlecteur/ChildrensHome.html
This one states that 12% end up as criminals. Considering the enormous amount of children who don't get adopted, I would say that is pretty damn high.
http://www.ranchandcoast.com/decemb...eature-one.html |
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| pinkbubblegum |
Even though I'd like to piss in Jenny's eyes, Adoption > Abortion. Shame on you Theresa.  |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by pinkbubblegum
Adoption > Abortion. |
wrong. its a case-by-case basis. |
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| pinkbubblegum |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
wrong. its a case-by-case basis. |
not in this case |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Uh, what about women who can't have children?? Where do they get babies from?? |
We adopt cats :D |
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