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If all drugs were legalized, would more people become addicts? (pg. 3)
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| kr00t0n |
More accessibility would logically equal more addictions.
See booze and smokes. |
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| Zild |
You wouldn't know for sure until you rounded up a large group of people and cloned them a few times to get different experimental groups and a control group. Then you'd have to place those clones into different societies with different drug laws and see what happens.
You can't just say oh if this happens then logically this will happen unless you want to be a really poor scientist. |
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| XaNaX |
| No. Drugs are very accessable right now to people who want to use them and those people will continue to use them no matter if they are legal or not. People who don't want to use drugs are not going to start shooting H just because you can pick it up at a state store now instead of getting it from a dealer. I know plenty of people who don't drink even though alcohol is available everywhere. |
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| elFreak |
I do not know the availability of drugs in your area, but in Montreal you can find anything very easily without having to go to some hole warzone ghetto. Drugs are pretty cheap, available quite easy, yet the drug use here does not seem disproportional to other places (with exceptions of course) i have lived/been to. Personal choice is personal choice. If anything, i think regulation of illicit substances would likely cause less addicts and restrict use among the younger (see minors) population. Sure they could probably still find it much like booze and cigarettes, but making it harder will cause less kids to take part in substance abuse. I would also think that regualation could help make drugs safer and effectively lower the presence of organized crime. All the money injected into prosecution could then be injected into rehabilitation programs and other social causes that would benefit society instead of throwing money away.
i know you aren't a big drug user jbj, and for this i don't think you understand that not everyone who indulges occasionally is a fiend. Some have self control and some believe in moderation. I do not think legalization would make things worse, but better. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
You wouldn't know for sure until you rounded up a large group of people and cloned them a few times to get different experimental groups and a control group. Then you'd have to place those clones into different societies with different drug laws and see what happens.
You can't just say oh if this happens then logically this will happen unless you want to be a really poor scientist. |
That's the thing though - you can't ever have accurate information like that. It's all going to be based on sample groups and general trends in things like inpatient treatment, demand of resources for treatment/incarceration, and occurrence of arrests and/or other legal action taken regarding drugs.
If you were to take the best of what's out there right now, the only conclusion you could reasonably come to is that Draconian drug laws like those in the U.S. do absolutely nothing to stem the tide of addiction or in general the use of illicit substances. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
That's the thing though - you can't ever have accurate information like that. It's all going to be based on sample groups and general trends in things like inpatient treatment, demand of resources for treatment/incarceration, and occurrence of arrests and/or other legal action taken regarding drugs.
If you were to take the best of what's out there right now, the only conclusion you could reasonably come to is that Draconian drug laws like those in the U.S. do absolutely nothing to stem the tide of addiction or in general the use of illicit substances. |
Exactly my point. |
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| elFreak |
the war on drugs is a futile and costly venture that can never be won. Instead of fighting it, learning about it and cutting the risks involved is a much more viable solution.
the amount of money and LIVES this would save in the US is astounding. |
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| Zild |
| I remember in high school it was always a lot tougher to get alcohol than it was to get illegal drugs. To get alcohol you needed a fake ID or an older brother/sister, or a hookup at a shady store. To buy drugs you just got your money and bought them yourself. |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
the war on drugs is a futile and costly venture that can never be won. Instead of fighting it, learning about it and cutting the risks involved is a much more viable solution.
the amount of money and LIVES this would save in the US is astounding. |
but were overpopulated as it is. Everyone wants to save lives, instead of preventing them. Oh wait what topic is this again :happy2: |
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| XaNaX |
| Additionally, because they are illegal drugs sell for many times what their actual value is. For many people the biggest problem with drug abuse/addiction is that once they have exhausted their means to purchase drugs with their regular income they turn to things like theft and other criminal behavior to fund their habit. Say you have a coke habit of four 8 balls a week. That habit is much more expensive at $200 a ball from a dealer than it would be if you were paying $40 a ball at a state drug store. That makes the addictions, for those that have them, much less damaging |
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| elFreak |
| not to mention i am pretty sure the government would not cut it with broken tubes from fluo lights. |
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| Zild |
| if I'm ever paying that much for a ball. I do live very close to Mexico though. If you go hang with my friends who live on the border you can do almost everything for free since everyone is in the smuggling business down there. |
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