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If all drugs were legalized, would more people become addicts? (pg. 4)
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| XaNaX |
| no it would be great for people with a coke habit. Unless you had a primo hookup who doesn't cut much you could get the same effect from a teenager or less of government coke as you would getting a ball from your average dealer |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
i know you aren't a big drug user jbj, and for this i don't think you understand that not everyone who indulges occasionally is a fiend. |
Huh? I have nothing at all against people who use illegal drugs, and I have used them myself without regret. I have seen both sides of the story with my friends: people who could control it and have fun, and people who started screwing up themselves and their relationships with it. I have no idea where you got this assumption that I am clueless.
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by XaNaX
Additionally, because they are illegal drugs sell for many times what their actual value is. For many people the biggest problem with drug abuse/addiction is that once they have exhausted their means to purchase drugs with their regular income they turn to things like theft and other criminal behavior to fund their habit. Say you have a coke habit of four 8 balls a week. That habit is much more expensive at $200 a ball from a dealer than it would be if you were paying $40 a ball at a state drug store. That makes the addictions, for those that have them, much less damaging |
Unfortunately, the only evidence I've seen of drug costs in a legal v. illegal situation is with herb, and as far as that goes - it's near exactly the same price for good weed illegally as it is legally, and in some cases, it's actually more expensive to purchase legally than illegally. |
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| sean5 |
| cost cutting doesn't curb addiction, it just allows addicts to buy more |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by sean5
cost cutting doesn't curb addiction, it just allows addicts to buy more |
And that has to do with what, exactly?
I didn't see anyone making that claim, but maybe I just missed it. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Unfortunately, the only evidence I've seen of drug costs in a legal v. illegal situation is with herb, and as far as that goes - it's near exactly the same price for good weed illegally as it is legally, and in some cases, it's actually more expensive to purchase legally than illegally. |
This is why care would have to be taken with taxing drugs if they were made legal; tax them too much and it creates an incentive for a black market. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Unfortunately, the only evidence I've seen of drug costs in a legal v. illegal situation is with herb, and as far as that goes - it's near exactly the same price for good weed illegally as it is legally, and in some cases, it's actually more expensive to purchase legally than illegally. |
Yeah but you need a lot of energy and time to grow plants. For real drugs I can cook them up really quickly if it were legal since I'm a chemist. For example there are about one million hits of LSD in a liter of undiluted solution. And LSD is one of the tougher ones to synth since it is very sensitive to visible light. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
This is why care would have to be taken with taxing drugs if they were made legal; tax them too much and it creates an incentive for a black market. |
You can get blackmarket cigarettes and alcohol if you want to and know where to look. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
You can get blackmarket cigarettes and alcohol if you want to and know where to look. |
Exactly my point: those things are taxed too heavily, IMO. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Exactly my point: those things are taxed too heavily, IMO. |
But they're still much tougher to obtain than blackmarket heroin. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
This is why care would have to be taken with taxing drugs if they were made legal; tax them too much and it creates an incentive for a black market. |
I guess my only point was that market price seemed to be market price, regardless of a drugs legality.
In the past year, I have paid approximately $40-$50 per bag of mostly good herb, assuming the bulk of them weighed straight at 3.5g, that makes it about $14.00/g.
In the Netherlands, most of what I bought (on each trip - first trip ER was ~$1.21 USD/1 EUR, second was ~$1.60/ 1 EUR) ran between $7 EUR and $12 EUR per gram, meaning at best I was saving $5-$6 per gram, but usually wasn't saving much of anything at all when it came to buying good herb, especially on the second trip.
Basically it seemed like the only way the government could avoid the black market was to compete with it directly, and as long as demand stays the same, prices will too (to a degree). |
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| Zild |
| But if it was legal why would anyone buy if they can just grow or synth? |
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