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Formula 1 - 2009 season (pg. 7)
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| pmoisse |
^ Please tell me that the "Brawn Advantage" doesn't mean their diffusers...:mad:
F1 is about innovation. If it's not explicitly outlawed in the rules, why not allow it?
3 teams have made use of the gray area of the diffuser rules and they all are quick. Now, the rest of the teams are scrambling to apply the design to their cars in the event they are declared legal by the FIA council.
The big budget teams (other than Toyota) are just bitter that they didn't do this themselves.
Looking at the qualifying times, the top of the field was all within 1 second and change, and who knows what fuel strategies anyone is on. |
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by pmoisse
^ Please tell me that the "Brawn Advantage" doesn't mean their diffusers...:mad:
F1 is about innovation. If it's not explicitly outlawed in the rules, why not allow it?
3 teams have made use of the gray area of the diffuser rules and they all are quick. Now, the rest of the teams are scrambling to apply the design to their cars in the event they are declared legal by the FIA council.
The big budget teams (other than Toyota) are just bitter that they didn't do this themselves. |
I mean the overall package. Difusser is worth 0.2-0.5 sec. their advantage is about 0.7 sec so its not just that.
I'm not arguing the difussers are illegal either, brilliant work on exploiting the loophole.
I'm sure similar difussers will be on every car sooner or later, but I doubt it will be as beneficial as it is to Brawn, who built a car around it.
| quote: | | Looking at the qualifying times, the top of the field was all within 1 second and change, and who knows what fuel strategies anyone is on. |
The answer is, everybody:
Weight of the cars with fuel:
1. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 664.5kg
2. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 666.5
3. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 657
4. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 650
5. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 657
6. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 654
7. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 655.5
8. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 662
9. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 691.5
10. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 680.7
11. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 690.6
12. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 694.1
13. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India 689
14. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 612.5
15. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 675.5
16. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 684.5
17. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 662.5
18. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 655
19. Timo Glock, Toyota, 670
20. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 660
http://www.fia.com/public/f1_media/...document_43.pdf |
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| pmoisse |
| quote: | Originally posted by stren
I mean the overall package. Difusser is worth 0.2-0.5 sec. their advantage is about 0.7 sec so its not just that.
I'm not arguing the difussers are illegal either, brilliant work on exploiting the loophole.
I'm sure similar difussers will be on every car sooner or later, but I doubt it will be as beneficial as it is to Brawn, who built a car around it.
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Agreed!! (sorry, wasn't sure which side of the fence you were on :))
The Brawn design is so brilliantly clean. I'm happy to see the Williams up front too.
It will be interesting seeing how the Toyota's work their way through the back of the field too.
Nice find on the starting weights too! |
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| pmoisse |
I also think it's dumb that kers doesn't regenerate any time you apply the brakes or whatever your mechanism for charging it is. Why only so much juice per lap?
that's taking your cutting edge tech and putting a lid on it.
Why not reward teams that make the most efficient system for charging and discharging by allowing them a bottomless pit of bonus power?
If they just wanted a fixed time of extra power per lap, it would have been cheaper and easier to have the rev limit raised as your push to pass since everyone seems to be using it only on the straights at the top of 5th 6th or 7th gear. |
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| pmoisse |
Holy !
Great (and surprising) finish. Not really something you expect to see in the first race of the season for several reasons. |
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| stren |
Fantastic race.
Brawn seem catchable , I'm sorry for Robert as he could've caught Button and Vettel, he drove a great race too.
Hamilton, a stand out performance.
Buemi good debut.
Strange to see the softs go off so much: Rosberg lost like 3 places in 1 lap :eek: |
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| pmoisse |
The soft tyres were ing useless and a hazard given how fast the cars behind could catch the ones in front.
The "must use both compounds" isn't racing, it's a self-imposed handicap, and for what? Why?
, up until the late 80s cars ran the whole race on one ing set of tires and one tank of fuel, with way more powerful cars.
The Kubica / Vettel wreck was a simple racing incident between two guys who forgot it was the first race of the season. Kubica could have easily waited a lap or two and grabbed the position in a better spot on track, and Vettel could have accepted his fate of being passed and not run out quite as wide. They were racing as though the championship depended on it. |
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by pmoisse
. Kubica could have easily waited a lap or two and grabbed the position in a better spot on track, and Vettel could have accepted his fate of being passed and not run out quite as wide. They were racing as though the championship depended on it. |
about that... he couldn't wait, as he had a realistic chance of catching Button.
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They were racing as though the championship depended on it. |
looking at the closeness of the field, and the way last championships have panned out, it might just have depended on it.
Its what the fans want; racing and overtaking, can't blame them for trying. |
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| pmoisse |
^ Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on both points.
However, given Kubica's pace compared to Button, he could have waited until a less crowded corner or more of a sweeper where it wouldn't be a braking duel in order to pass and still he had plenty of laps (and loads of pace - was he ever flying at the end!!!) to catch Button. Button would have been using up those ty soft tyres even faster under normal lapping too.
Ultimately it's a long season, so in hindsight, they lost more overall than either stood to gain by actually fighting that position.
I want to see quality fights for position, b ut I stand by my original point in saying that this was a clumsy, first race of the season error and I feel the blame for the error should be on both drivers.
I don't expect either Kubica or Vetter to make a similar error this season. They are both far too good for that. I think this was first race jitters. |
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| stren |
| agree to disagree then |
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| nchs09 |
| ok race, sucks for both kubica and button, they had the chance of socring points :/ |
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| stren |
^ :wtf: I think Button scored 10 points
did you even see the race ? |
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