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Who here packs heat? (pg. 9)
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| Aortik |
| quote: | Originally posted by whiskers
Yeah, there you are, assuming that EVERY SINGLE collector is a crazy anti-government nut, burying weapons "with the sole purpose of staving off the Government"
Keep playing with you Straw Man |
You and Krypton. :stongue:
Just because you can label something as a fallacy doesn't mean it isn't a point worthy of addressing, unless you earnestly feel that you are so intellectually gorged, to even address a baser point would be below your standards. Which I'm really not buying.
Regardless, I'm not talking about people who collect guns... I mean people who have an arsenal beneath their house, sleep with a gun beneath their pillow, keep one in their glove compartment, buy them for their children, carry one with them at all times, etc. When it has come to the point of such paranoia, seditious and violent political views are rarely far around the corner, and these same people would espouse their God and country-given right to bear arms as some call to fight the establishment that they beg permission of in the first place. Don't tell me you haven't known anyone like this.
I understand your sensitive little objections to all of this, under the presumption that guns don't kill people, etc~ The fact still stands that the primary reason most people would obtain a firearm is because somebody else near them is either known to have one or may have one. I can tolerate dangerous hobbies - what people do to themselves is of little concern to me. But when it affects everybody, strict regulation is necessary in a civic sense.
As for collectors, your desire for explosions and utility could be served with a thousand other collections that have nothing to do with killing people. An adult attraction to guns and weaponry is born of institutionalized bloodlust; the attraction is not the flash of it, a glimmering harbinger of childhood ways, but the power a gun holds over another man. You are quite correct in comparing an interest in guns to that of boyhood pursuits. But children have also been known to torture small mammals - just because a citizen is interested in this little bit of sadistic sentimentality doesn't mean it should be allowed by any governing body. |
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| whiskers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aortik
You and Krypton. :stongue:
Just because you can label something as a fallacy doesn't mean it isn't a point worthy of addressing, unless you earnestly feel that you are so intellectually gorged, to even address a baser point would be below your standards. Which I'm really not buying.
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When the original point is about gun collectors and NOT about crazy god-worshipping-gun-in-every-pocket "patriots", your point is irrelevant as an argument.
| quote: | Originally posted by Aortik
Regardless, I'm not talking about people who collect guns... I mean people who have an arsenal beneath their house, sleep with a gun beneath their pillow, keep one in their glove compartment, buy them for their children, carry one with them at all times, etc. When it has come to the point of such paranoia, seditious and violent political views are rarely far around the corner, and these same people would espouse their God and country-given right to bear arms as some call to fight the establishment that they beg permission of in the first place. Don't tell me you haven't known anyone like this.
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You were doing well there in that paragraph and I am glad I don't actually know any such people. But the conversation was about gun collectors. Not paranoia.
| quote: | Originally posted by Aortik
I understand your sensitive little objections to all of this, under the presumption that guns don't kill people, etc~ The fact still stands that the primary reason most people would obtain a firearm is because somebody else near them is either known to have one or may have one. I can tolerate dangerous hobbies - what people do to themselves is of little concern to me. But when it affects everybody, strict regulation is necessary in a civic sense.
As for collectors, your desire for explosions and utility could be served with a thousand other collections that have nothing to do with killing people. An adult attraction to guns and weaponry is born of institutionalized bloodlust; the attraction is not the flash of it, a glimmering harbinger of childhood ways, but the power a gun holds over another man. You are quite correct in comparing an interest in guns to that of boyhood pursuits. But children have also been known to torture small mammals - just because a citizen is interested in this little bit of sadistic sentimentality doesn't mean it should be allowed by any governing body. |
Once again, I don't give a crap about guns. I was just pointing out how the anti-gun people in this thread and in general always seem to lump everyone into one 'crazy' category and then use that as a basis to support their anti-gun shouts. Also, your "torturing small mammals" analogy is just... well, just an analogy. And another straw man, in fact: "having guns = boyhood pursuits = institutionalized bloodlust = boys torture small mammals = adults who own guns are sadistic = let's govern them". Really?
As for "sensitive little objections" or "boyhood pursuits" - I hope you're comfortable on your verbose "glimmering harbinger" of a high horse. |
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| Aortik |
| quote: | Originally posted by whiskers
When the original point is about gun collectors and NOT about crazy god-worshipping-gun-in-every-pocket "patriots", your point is irrelevant as an argument. |
And which original point would you be talking about? Yours? The original poster's? I merely made an hyperbolic analogy based off of a generalization - you were the one who took it as a challenge for formal debate because you were offended.
| quote: | | I am glad I don't actually know any such people. But the conversation was about gun collectors. Not paranoia. |
Well I have known people as extreme as that and I have known people the far opposite, seeing their hobby as a harmless expense of money and aggression. Neither strikes me as more deserving nor stable a person, as even if somebody is not paranoid, they often give justification to the neuroses of others. Now do not mistake me once more, I don't entertain illusions that disallowing citizens from owning guns will improve the mental or physicalhealth of the nation... but largely disallowing the majority of the public from obtaining the ability to exact their angst from the safety of 600 yards away sounds far more conducive to a government's civil obligation to the people than otherwise.
| quote: | | Once again, I don't give a crap about guns. I was just pointing out how the anti-gun people in this thread and in general always seem to lump everyone into one 'crazy' category and then use that as a basis to support their anti-gun shouts. Also, your "torturing small mammals" analogy is just... well, just an analogy. And another straw man, in fact: "having guns = boyhood pursuits = institutionalized bloodlust = boys torture small mammals = adults who own guns are sadistic = let's govern them". Really? |
Then why don't you explain to me why somebody might collect guns. Really analyze why someone would become enthusiastic over the prospect of owning devices whose undisputable purpose is to end the life of another organism. The most innocuous explanation I can recall would be because "daddy did it, too".
Guns are insane devices that have done nothing but accelerate our expendability and put power in the hands of the mentally insubstantial. |
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| whiskers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aortik
Then why don't you explain to me why somebody might collect guns. |
Because I don't really care to and neither do you. You've got your own self-righteous opinion and all you're asking for is more fuel for the flame so that you can pick at it. Have fun. |
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| Aortik |
| Dickclown, why didn't we just agree that neither of us wanted to do this in the first place? |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
gun lover or not, if this doesnt turn you on you're a fag
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fag here |
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| mezzir |
no one addressed my point  |
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| Slylee |
my dad is packing some pretty decent heat. a beretta, a s&w and a shotgun. he's got his guns (aside from the shotgun) in these cool metal briefcases that look like they are from a movie under his bed with loaded magazines next to them. i was like, "jesus dad are you ready for war or something?"
oh and my mom packs a little 38 revolver that i've shot/played with. |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
my dad is packing some pretty decent heat. |
quoted for incest. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
quoted for incest. |
:haha: |
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| samochod |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
quoted for incest. |
down south in a trailer park. :stongue: |
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