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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I don't believe that is actually in the criteria for the term. |
How so?
pho·bi·a (fō'bē-ə) Pronunciation Key
n.
A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
He's funny but he makes most of his up and exaggerates the rest. If you can't see that then you're a bit slow. But yes, he is really funny :stongue: |
:haha: :haha: :haha: Thats so ironic! Considering that clip I just posted of his ... Scriptures are NOT facts. Creationist museums are NOT facts. Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs! :haha:
Never mind, you believe in religion, and so be it. Nothing wrong with that. I dont want to mock you, you are entitled to a different opinion and a system of beliefs. |
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| Magnetonium |
OK, I just received some hate mail and a death threat. With a reference to Pat Donell as well. I knew it was a bad idea to put a link to my Discogs profile in my TA profile. Just fabulous! |
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| Magnetonium |
http://www.thespec.com/article/486168
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A noted Muslim scholar has provoked a huge controversy in Europe by openly questioning the existence of the Prophet Mohammed.
The Islamist at the centre of the storm in Germany over whether Mohammed ever existed as an historical figure says he is simply following the conclusions of many years of rigorous research.
Mohammed Sven Kalisch, 42, the chair of Islamic Studies at the University of Muenster and whose duties include training teachers for the rising number of Muslim students in German high schools, has created a furor by stating that in all probability Mohammed was a mythical creation.
He told the Star in a recent phone interview that his research leads him to believe that the three great monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam have mythical origins.
German police worried about a possible violent backlash have told the professor to move his offices to more secure premises. But Kalisch says there have been no specific threats and he is far from being "in hiding" as some bloggers and other rumour-mongers have claimed.
However, the Central Council of Muslims in Germany to which the four largest organizations of the country's 3 million-strong Muslim community belong, has stopped its co-operation with the university's Centre for Religious Studies over the professor's stand.
A spokesperson for the council, Ali Kizilkaya, has said if the Prophet Mohammed didn't exist then the Qur'an doesn't exist.
"This would mean that we would have to abolish the religion altogether," Kizilkaya said. "We are convinced the Prophet did indeed exist and that the Qur'an is the word of God."
Michael Marx, a Qur'an specialist at the Berlin-Brandenburg Academy of Sciences, has warned his colleagues that Kalisch's views will "make it difficult" for German scholars to work in Muslim lands.
The traditional view of Mohammed is that he was born in Mecca in Arabia, about AD 570 and died in Medina around AD 632. The Qur'an, Islam's holy book, is composed of revelations believed to have been given to him by God through the archangel Gabriel. There are about one billion Muslims in the world today.
"My position with regard to the historical existence of Mohammed is that I believe neither his existence nor his non-existence can be proven," Kalisch said in a statement. "I, however, lean toward the non-existence."
He told the Star he holds the same position regarding Abraham, Moses and the other Jewish patriarchs, as well as Jesus Christ.
There have been threats, campaigns for his dismissal from his post, and dozens of media interviews, commentaries and editorials. According to Der Spiegel magazine, a group of more than 30 German academics have signed a petition supporting Kalisch's right to scholarly freedom of expression.
Kalisch studied and practised law before returning to college to take a Ph.D. in religious studies. He speaks fluent English, Turkish and Arabic as well as German.
He was born in Hamburg of a German father and a mother of Mongolian descent. They were nominal Protestants and when he began early in his teens to follow up on the Asian line of his heritage he decided to learn Turkish.
That led directly to an exposure to Islamic teaching and at 15 he decided to convert. "I was attracted by the emphasis on one God instead of a trinity," he says. "It seemed in many ways a very rational religion."
But, he differed from typical religious converts to a new faith in that he never stopped questioning. "Religion should never contradict reason," he says. "I could never accept any doctrine or belief that goes against my rational mind."
Kalisch said he realized early in 2001 that when the same scientific methods are applied to investigate Muslim claims of historicity as are used on Jewish and Christian origins, similar problems arise at once. He found that traditional theological positions soon collapse once hard evidence is sought. He discovered there is as much "myth-making" in Islam as in Judaism and Christianity. And so his current process of "rethinking Islam" was begun.
Asked whether he thought his public airings of his findings will destroy peoples' faith, he said: "It will destroy a literalist faith, a faith no longer reliable because of reason. But, the God I believe in is not a god of literalists. He is the Ultimate One. God doesn't write books. All the various sacred books are the product of human minds and experiences. They can be helpful but they must be interpreted for today."
Kalisch maintains non-Muslim scholars who agree with his hypothesis but keep silent out of "respect" for Muslims are in fact treating them as though they can't handle the truth.
"That's not respect, it's putting Muslims on the same level as small children who can't think and decide for themselves and whose illusions of Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny one doesn't want to destroy." |
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| DJ Damerchi |
good comparision with Churchill's insights. "mein kampf" and "jihad" mean the same thing |
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| cronodevir |
| People are suprised this came from Europe? Europe is one of the most racist regions on earth. If it wasn't for UN, the Germans, British, Italinas and a few others would have ripped Europe a new by now. It would be like a summer in Rhawanda...and all of this hated would be because some retards and their ideas of nationality. Can't even have a football game without killing eachother... |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
People are suprised this came from Europe? Europe is one of the most racist regions on earth. If it wasn't for UN, the Germans, British, Italinas and a few others would have ripped Europe a new by now. It would be like a summer in Rhawanda...and all of this hated would be because some retards and their ideas of nationality. Can't even have a football game without killing eachother... |
Erm I think you mean the EU, not the UN
And historically, yes Europe has been one of the most racist and nationalistic regions on Earth. Some places, especially in Eastern Europe, can still be pretty racist. The UK, being an island and seeing itself as "separate" from the rest of Europe, is probably the most nationalistic, but probably the least racist in Europe (work that one out?!)
Anyway, I don't think, in general terms, that Europe is any more or less racist/nationalist that anywhere else in the World (altho you might get confused when thinking about America because you call nationalism 'patriotism' which is supposed to be a positive thing, not a negative thing like nationalism)
It's also a pretty varied continent from rich to poor countries, so it might be like comparing the whole of the American continent, which is a bit daft |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
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Awaits Shaolin Z to call you an ignorant racist....
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
Awaits Shaolin Z to call you an ignorant racist....
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Naaaaah. That pic was only referring to the fundamentalists / extremists. I dont know exactly why I posted it, but when I saw that funny pic, I immediately thought of this thread.
I didnt attach all Muslims to it. Just the ones who are preaching violence and the ones who are trying to control what I can say. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
I didnt attach all Muslims to it. Just the ones who are preaching violence and the ones who are trying to control what I can say. |
If I could do a search right.....I was called that many a times a few years back for posting similar....
Islam, the religion that wants respect but gives none.. ;) |
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