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North Korean Rocket Test (pg. 2)
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
apparently stage 1 was the sea of japan, stage two was the pacific.... I havn't heard anything about stage 3??????? anyone?
wonder if some navy seals are having some fun with this one right now :) |
well if the koreans say what it was is what it is then stage 3 is up in space someplace, or coming down shortly.
in wankers. |
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| Q5echo |
he's so "ronry" |
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| pmoisse |
| lol @ Q - you beat me to it |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
wonder if some navy seals are having some fun with this one right now :) |
SEALs couldn't be bothered with this kind of crap. but i bet the geeks at Peterson AFB are stoked |
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| Zild |
| SEALs do one thing, and one thing only. Kick the ass out of the enemy! |
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| The17sss |
Interesting article today on the topic by ANDREI LANKOV, professor of history at Kookmin University in Seoul.
He's right- seriously, how long are we going to fall for the tricks and games of this ?
| quote: | North Korea's Kim Jong Il and his henchmen are often described as "irrational" or "mad." This description does them a great disservice, for they have stayed in power for decades by manipulating great powers. Sunday's missile launch is just another step in a complicated political game whose aim has not changed since the 1960s: to ensure a steady influx of foreign aid without making any concessions which might put regime at risk.
For decades, North Korea's inefficient economy has been kept afloat by international aid. At the beginning, this aid -- mainly food and energy -- flowed from the Soviet Union and China. Since the mid-1990s, South Korea, China and, surprisingly, the United States provided it. (Throughout the last decade there were years when the U.S. was the major provider of food aid to the North.) Pyongyang ensured this flow continued by creating international crises and then demanding payment for solving them.
This approach works very well, mainly because Mr. Kim and his lackeys do not care about obedience to the international law, nor about the survival of their country's own population. Sunday's missile launch is simply the reapplication of this old tactic.
The first target of the North Korean missile is, of course, the White House -- not literally, but figuratively. Pyongyang's leaders know that under Barack Obama's administration, North Korea will drift downward in Washington's foreign policy agenda -- in favor of hotter spots like Afghanistan -- and they do not like it. To survive, North Korea has to appear a serious threat. Therefore their message to Washington runs something like this: "Mr. Obama, do not forget: We're here, we're dangerous, and we're defiant -- so you had better deal with us and give us some aid and diplomatic concessions."
Skeptics will argue such blackmail will not work. History does not support this position. In October 2006, North Korea tested its first nuclear weapon. For a while, Washington and other capitals talked about repercussions and "international solidarity." But few months later, in February 2007, the U.S. dramatically changed its approach -- and after years of saber-rattling, chose to resume negotiations with Pyongyang. North Korean leaders believe this change in the U.S. attitude was related to the nuclear test. Therefore, they expect that this time, nothing will come out of the rising wave of diplomatic condemnation. They are probably right.
The second target of Sunday's launch is more commercial then diplomatic. North Korea is a desperately poor country with a broken command-and-control economy. The sale of short- and medium-range missiles are an important currency earner for the regime, with buyers largely from countries of the Middle East. During the 2006 missile launch and nuclear test, Iranian scientists were present -- as they were Sunday. A successful satellite launch will serve as a sales pitch for all North Korean missiles, thus increasing the regime's revenue.
The third target of Sunday's launch is aimed squarely at the North Korean audience. The rocket was launched days before the country's major national holiday: the birthday of Kim Il Sung, the founder of the North Korean state, and also father of the current dictator Kim Jong Il. The launch will help regime to boost its own credibility and support inside the country. The masses will be told that brilliant guidance of Mr. Kim and his government made possible modern technology that few countries would even dream of.
Pyongyang has used these tactics before; the famine of the late 1990s, for instance, was explained by official propaganda as the price Koreans had to pay for developing modern powerful weapons. The government argues these weapons alone can ensure the survival of the Korean nation against genocidal Americans and bloodthirsty Japanese. Until recently, North Korean propaganda has been able to point only at the nuclear program, but now the country's missile program can be cited as a proof of newfound military might.
Will North Koreans succeed in their brinksmanship? History demonstrates that it's likely. The Obama Administration underscored its commitment to diplomatic talks as late as last week. Middle Eastern buyers will soon start frequenting Pyongyang and common North Koreans will feel a bit of patriotic pride which might make them to forget for a while about their empty stomachs.
And who knows: perhaps, later this year, when the first wave of righteous indignation fades, the White House will express its interest in talks about missile control. Needless to say, the North Koreans will demand a huge monetary compensation for freezing their "peaceful space research program." |
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123...ss_opinion_main |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
SEALs do one thing, and one thing only. Kick the ass out of the enemy! |
...and drink all of your milk underway.
i swear we would get underway with a full storage load of real milk, probabaly 100-150 gallons for the crew, and in one week we'd be having powdered milk with our Frosted Flakes...yuk :whip:
a squad of SEALs can put away some milk for sure. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
...and drink all of your milk underway.
i swear we would get underway with a full storage load of real milk, probabaly 100-150 gallons for the crew, and in one week we'd be having powdered milk with our Frosted Flakes...yuk :whip:
a squad of SEALs can put away some milk for sure. |
Those seals were on your boat?:) |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Those seals were on your boat?:) |
yeah, many times. i was on this boat for the instalation and testing of that thing on her back called a Dry Deck Shelter. the first of it's kind on an L.A. class boat.
then i crewed this boat out of Hawaii for the install and testing of ASDS (Advanced SEAL Delivery System). the first of it's kind.
SEALs are quiet and unassuming. they have nothing to prove to anyone. they mostly read, do push-ups and hang from whatever pipes they can get hold of and rip themselves up. |
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| The17sss |
Update on the launch. And it's a major surpise too... the UN Security Council met about the issue and nothing was accomplished. :stongue:
| quote: | | The United Nations failed to agree a response to North Korea's rocket launch despite pressure from Washington and its allies for action, showing the reclusive state had succeeded in dividing the international community. |
http://www.reuters.com/article/topN...eedName=topNews |
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| Magnetonium |
Someone outta teach these dumbasses a lesson in manners. North Korea is spreading nuclear weapons technology and tools to such countries like Iran and Syria, and now are trying to blackmail the world community, to force us to make concessions to continue their retarded regime. Evil bastards. I hope that Americans/South Korea doesnt cave in to this yet another North Korean threat and intimidation.
Their threat to attack if their ships are searched for nuclear material is alone enough to make it clear that North Korea is probably smuggling nuclear technology out to rouge states.
Unfortunately, it will take many more years to get rid of the mess that communism brought to the world, still persisting ...
North Korea scuttles '53 military truce
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Threatens strikes on U.S., S. Korean ships
May 28, 2009
New York Times
SEOUL, South Korea (May 28, 2009)
North Korea threatened military strikes on U.S. and South Korean ships yesterday and renounced a 1953 truce halting the Korean War fighting, an escalation of tensions in the wake of Pyongyang's nuclear test.
The threats, which follow Seoul's decision to join more than 90 countries in stopping and inspecting ships suspected of transporting banned weapons, raised the prospect of a naval clash off Korea's west coast.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton responded by saying North Korea faces consequences for its nuclear and missile tests and denouncing its "provocative and belligerent" threats. She also underscored the firmness of the U.S. treaty commitment to defend South Korea and Japan, which are in easy range of North Korean missiles.
The UN Security Council was debating how to punish the North for its nuclear test Monday, which President Barack Obama called a "blatant violation" of international law.
Ambassadors from the five permanent veto-wielding council members -- the United States, Russia, China, Britain and France -- as well as Japan and South Korea were working on a new resolution.
South Korea, still divided from the North by a heavily fortified border, had responded to the nuclear test by joining the Proliferation Security Initiative, a U.S.-led movement to stop ships from transporting banned nuclear goods.
Pyongyang lashed out at both the United States and South Korea, calling Seoul's move to join the PSI tantamount to a declaration of war and a violation of the truce between the two Koreas.
"Full participation in the PSI by a side on the Korean peninsula where the state of military confrontation is growing acute and there is constant danger of military conflict itself means igniting a war," North Korea's Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of Korea said in a statement carried on state media.
The regime warned that it would "deal a decisive and merciless retaliatory blow" to anyone trying to inspect its vessels.
North Korea's army said it would be "illogical" to honour the 1953 armistice between the two Koreas, given the violations by the U.S. and South Korea, and said it could no longer promise the safety of U.S. and South Korean warships and civilian vessels in the waters near the maritime border.
Clinton said North Korea has made a choice to violate UN Security Council resolutions, ignore international warnings and abrogate commitments made during six-nation nuclear disarmament talks.
"There are consequences to such actions," she said, referring to discussions in the United Nations about punishing North Korea for its nuclear and missile tests.
She did not provide specifics, saying only that the intent of diplomats was to "try to rein in the North Koreans" and get them to fulfil commitments made in the nuclear talks.
Clinton said she was pleased by a unified international condemnation of North Korea that included Russia and China, North Korea's closest major ally and the host of the currently stalled disarmament talks.
Despite her tough words, Clinton held out hope that North Korea would return to nuclear disarmament talks . |
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