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Stimming Reflections Album (pg. 8)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Now your probably saying "wait, aren't there a lot of dynamic pieces of music like this?". Yes of course, when I made the statement that this track is dynamic, It didn't mean that music is so rarely dynamic that I had to point it out here, its just that this is a very good example of dynamic electronic music, when a lot of techno is not, rather very normalized in volume and energy. |
Arf. I'm not asking that all. It pretty much makes sense that someone who praises RA and who compares music to "a lot of techno" would incredulously ask "How can you find this boring?" before going on to cite HOLY moments like "It doesn't have a percussive intro!" "He modulates the volume of the lead!!!" and "The breakdown doesn't just go quiet!" in evidence of how very dynamic this track is, such dynamism that no man could possibly find it dull.
Maybe if you take dull-as-ditchwater RA techno as your baseline then this is "very dynamic", but I don't listen to dull-as-ditchwater RA techno, so to me this track would be less dynamic than average. Nothing captivating about that.
Although once again, top Internet points to you. I should have added "if that's what you think dynamic means" to my original post, because I don't think you could find a post of mine in the search engine where I use the word "dynamic" to mean "going places" either. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Arf. I'm not asking that all. It pretty much makes sense that someone who praises RA and who compares music to "a lot of techno" would incredulously ask "How can you find this boring?" before going on to cite HOLY moments like "It doesn't have a percussive intro!" "He modulates the volume of the lead!!!" and "The breakdown doesn't just go quiet!" in evidence of how very dynamic this track is, such dynamism that no man could possibly find it dull.
Maybe if you take dull-as-ditchwater RA techno as your baseline then this is "very dynamic", but I don't listen to dull-as-ditchwater RA techno, so to me this track would be less dynamic than average. Nothing captivating about that.
Although once again, top Internet points to you. I should have added "if that's what you think dynamic means" to my original post, because I don't think you could find a post of mine in the search engine where I use the word "dynamic" to mean "going places" either. |
Its quite simple if you don't know the first thing about what makes music dynamic, don't claim to people who know exactly what is dynamic music and could give you countless examples, that they need a lesson, when you cant give that lesson, and probably still can't after learning what it is. Even after i've established you are clueless about dynamics, you've doubled your ignorance by mocking some examples of ways to make a track dynamic. It just shows you shouldn't be discussing music, if you aren't going to take anything away from a discussion.
| quote: | | A track that sounds very different by the end or ends on a different mood to what it began on... that's a dynamic track. |
^ :stongue:
Son, that is more or less progression, and your first definition of dynamics, until dictionary.com somewhat came to the rescue. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
people who know exactly what is dynamic music |
I sincerely hope you're not referring to yourself with this. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I sincerely hope you're not referring to yourself with this. |
So now you are going to give a lesson on dynamics in music? Of course im referring to myself, what you gotta say about it? But go ahead lets hear what dynamics in music really is.
::sips capri-sun:: |
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| wotyzoid |
| LOL enough about the "lesson". |
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| Jasperovitsj |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
So now you are going to give a lesson on dynamics in music? Of course im referring to myself, what you gotta say about it? But go ahead lets hear what dynamics in music really is.
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Could you point me to some of your released productions then? As you're clearly a production wizard with superior knowledge and skill no one on this forum could ever match. Playing the "you can't criticise unless you can do it better yourself" card is about as low as you can go, but in this case, since you have no problem in claiming you know everything about production and apply your vast knowledge as an established authority in your productions, I'm curious to hear them. Genuine question, I don't care if it blows up in my face.
Also, the only one that is trying to polarise this discussion, is you. I've read various reviews of the album here (in depth and elaborate or not, the general sentiment is more than enough), yet you narrow them all down to "All TA's says it sucks, period". :conf: |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jasperovitsj
Could you point me to some of your released productions then? As you're clearly a production wizard with superior knowledge and skill no one on this forum could ever match. Playing the "you can't criticise unless you can do it better yourself" card is about as low as you can go, but in this case, since you have no problem in claiming you know everything about production and apply your vast knowledge as an established authority in your productions, I'm curious to hear them. Genuine question, I don't care if it blows up in my face.
Also, the only one that is trying to polarise this discussion, is you. I've read various reviews of the album here (in depth and elaborate or not, the general sentiment is more than enough), yet you narrow them all down to "All TA's says it sucks, period". :conf: |
We are discussing music itself, not production technique. If we were talking about production technique, i'd be talking about compression and compressors. I never claimed to know everything about production, I do know quite a bit, having worked on music for a few years now, if you follow the production forum, I do contribute there where I can. But no, I never claimed to know everything, your making up stuff there, I still have a lot to learn.
What I do know will hopefully get my music somewhere, and the music getting somewhere will definately be a testament towards me knowing my craft and music. I've only recently gotten to the point that my music is decent enough to shop around, and maybe when I do sign something, baby i'll send you a pm with a link on where you can buy it. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
So now you are going to give a lesson on dynamics in music? Of course im referring to myself, what you gotta say about it? But go ahead lets hear what dynamics in music really is.
::sips capri-sun:: |
I think this thread has already established how useful it is to attempt to teach you anything. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I think this thread has already established how useful it is to attempt to teach you anything. |
...why make a statement, when you have nothing to hold up the statement? I think that is what this thread has taught us. And of course dynamics, briefly their importance and use in music. Now you questioned me, and I said ok tough guy, lets hear it, yet you have...nothing. I'd love for you to teach me something, and to be honest i've actually gained a deeper understanding of dynamics and importance of dynamics by debating some dude on the internet about it. So there, lets see if you can add on top of that, even though it might require writing a paragraph, and the most I usually see from you is very dry 1 or 2 sentence remarks. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
...why make a statement, when you have nothing to hold up the statement? I think that is what this thread has taught us. And of course dynamics, briefly their importance and use in music. Now you questioned me, and I said ok tough guy, lets hear it, yet you have...nothing. I'd love for you to teach me something, and to be honest i've actually gained a deeper understanding of dynamics and importance of dynamics by debating some dude on the internet about it. So there, lets see if you can add on top of that, even though it might require writing a paragraph, and the most I usually see from you is very dry 1 or 2 sentence remarks. |
Which statement would that be?
I am not a teacher, I am not here to teach you or anyone else anything. You have your view of what you think "dynamic" means, and that's fine. I just wish you could get over your massive ego and accept that other people might think the word has different meanings and your truth isn't the only one in this particular matter.
Even if I did want to teach you something it's quite obvious you would just dismiss it regardless of what I'd say. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Which statement would that be?
I am not a teacher, I am not here to teach you or anyone else anything. You have your view of what you think "dynamic" means, and that's fine. I just wish you could get over your massive ego and accept that other people might think the word has different meanings and your truth isn't the only one in this particular matter.
Even if I did want to teach you something it's quite obvious you would just dismiss it regardless of what I'd say. |
Ok...your not a teacher, but your questioning someone who obviously knows what they are talking about, and it has nothing to do with ego, however there was ego when someone came here telling me I need lessons, and that didn't pan out. So where is my ego coming from? I'm just defending my knowledge/integrity.
That said, why don't you tell us what dynamics is, im open to hearing the different meanings of the word in the context of the music discussion in this thread. So far i've heard one meaning, and that turned out to be a progression. Now, i'll roll out the red carpet (quick sand?) for you as well, and ask you to kindly describe your definition of dynamic music for us. If you can't, you should'nt be questioning someone who has taken the time to define it, after having being told they don't know dynamic music is. Think about it for a minute. :tongue2 |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Its quite simple if you don't know the first thing about what makes music dynamic, don't claim to people who know exactly what is dynamic music and could give you countless examples, that they need a lesson, when you cant give that lesson, and probably still can't after learning what it is. Even after i've established you are clueless about dynamics, you've doubled your ignorance by mocking some examples of ways to make a track dynamic. It just shows you shouldn't be discussing music, if you aren't going to take anything away from a discussion. |
We've established that I misinterpreted your definition of the term. The definition I gave which you're mocking is quite clearly built out of what I took as your definition. My point was that this track doesn't go anywhere when you claimed it did, and if you think it does you need a lesson in what a track going somewhere sounds like. You're hanging desperately onto the fact I used the word "dynamic" instead of "progression", and it's not as though you've cited a single piece of evidence at any point in the thread to validate your definition of these words in a musical context, is it?
So yes, you score points for me quite obviously misinterpreting you:
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Despite the fact you defined dynamic in this context as a track "going places"... |
But you haven't scored any points for demonstrating that this track fulfills any of the praise you've bestowed on it. So I'll mock you all I want for cumming all over incredible musical ideas like non-percussive intros and modulated leads. As my chum Sykonee said, these techniques are ancient history in dubby deep electronic music. Or just electronic music in general.
I'll say it here: this track is not very progressive and it's not particularly dynamic. Certainly it is unexceptional in either category to justify asking "How can you find it boring!?" I'll also venture it is not distinctive in its shamen-like poise, either. Just for point of reference of how dynamic this track actually is, here's the waveform compared to a classical piece (Beethoven), a typical techno track (Villalobos) and a classic progressive track (Sasha):
It doesn't use volume nearly as much as the classical piece, it doesn't look much different from a largely uniform techno track aside from a conspicious breakdown and it doesn't even demonstrate any more variation between loud and quiet than an old progressive track. So what have you got? A modulating lead and a beatless intro. Gripping. |
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