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Confirmed: "torture" saved L.A. from 9/11 style attack (pg. 13)
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
So what's the point in posting a book about how America became great, from a conservative perspective, nonetheless...? |
some of us actually read stuff from both sides of the aisle... doing so helps me better understand why I believe what I believe, and the same goes for others. Read it man, I'll even buy you a copy and ship it to you. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Read it. Learn it. It will help you all remember what this republic was founded upon and how we became a great nation.
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Why don't you stay on topic and answer questions instead of posting book recommendations when you run out of talking points. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
some of us actually read stuff from both sides of the aisle... doing so helps me better understand why I believe what I believe, and the same goes for others. Read it man, I'll even buy you a copy and ship it to you. |
Talk about reading from both sides of the aisle. I have on my bookshelf, Godless by Ann Coulter, and Bankrupt: The Intellectual and Moral Bankruptcy of Today's Democratic Party by David Limbaugh.
I have a book for you.
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| The17sss |
Anyway... the plot is thickening. Cheney just made a formal request for 2 specific documents to be released, which means he must be awfully confident about what they say. That plus the other document requested yesterday giving the name of the Democrats that signed off on waterboarding should be interesting (which may explain the flip-flop again that suddenly, the Dems might not be so interested in those show trials----> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/u...ics/24cong.html)
The strategy to give the Left some blood they've been craving is backfiring.
Says Gerald Warner:
| quote: | That is why he opened Pandora’s Box by publishing the Justice Department’s legal opinions on waterboarding and other hardline interrogation techniques. He cynically subordinated the national interest to his partisan desire to embarrass the Republicans. Then he had to rush to Langley, Virginia to try to reassure a demoralised CIA that had just discovered the President of the United States was an even more formidable foe than al-Qaeda…
Obama promised his CIA audience that nobody would be prosecuted for past actions. That has already been contradicted by leftist groups with a revanchist ambition to put Republicans, headed if possible by Condoleezza Rice, in the dock. Talk about playing party politics with national security. Martin Scheinin, the United Nations special investigator for human rights, claims that senior figures, including former vice president Dick Cheney, could face prosecution overseas. Ponder that - once you have got over the difficulty of locating the United Nations and human rights within the same dimension.
President Pantywaist Obama should have thought twice before sitting down to play poker with Dick Cheney. |
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald...merica_so_badly |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Why don't you stay on topic and answer questions instead of posting book recommendations when you run out of talking points. |
I've answered all questions to the point where it has become redundant. Stop trying to police the PDD, Comrad Clovis. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Talk about reading from both sides of the aisle. I have on my bookshelf, Godless by Ann Coulter, and Bankrupt: The Intellectual and Moral Bankruptcy of Today's Democratic Party by David Limbaugh.
I have a book for you. I have no problem trading. I read urs if you read mine. |
Hmm... well then, I salute you dude. Not many have that mix on their shelf. I'll read your suggestion as soon as I finish the current book I'm reading. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I've answered all questions to the point where it has become redundant. Stop trying to police the PDD, Comrad Clovis. |
I'm just pointing out the fact that you're still waiting for the latest talking points to rebuff the arguments put forward here, but since this forum is probably the only place you've seen such a rebuttal, you don't have anything else to say about it.
If you think this DOJ memo is referring to a separate 9/11 style attack on LA you are absolutely delusional. |
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| The17sss |
| I'm not in need of fresh talking points...lol. I just have nothing else to say man. I've given my thoughts and opinions on the subject and it's run its course for the time being. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Read it. Learn it. It will help you all remember what this republic was founded upon and how we became a great nation.
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Lol, I spit out my beer! |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I didn't say it was. I'm just saying it's a damn good book... refreshes and teaches a lot about the country's founding that has either been forgotten or wasn't taugh in school. Levin's not a Hannity... he's an actual constitutional lawyer. He kind of reminds me of the Thomas Paine of our time. |
Ok, now my stomach hurts. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I'm not in need of fresh talking points...lol. I just have nothing else to say man. I've given my thoughts and opinions on the subject and it's run its course for the time being. |
So in other words you have no proof at all to address Opus's first post. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | From Reagan's signing statement ratifying the UN Convention on Torture from 1984:
| quote: | "The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.
The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called 'universal jurisdiction.' Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution." |
My italics. Reagan was admant about prosecuting torture, but also prosecuting inhuman treatment that some might claim was not full-on torture. Now go read National Review or The Weekly Standard. And look what has happened to conservatism in America. |
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.c...osecutions.html
Well well.
/eagerly awaits the17sss's ignoring this post. |
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