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The Belief Spectrum (pg. 7)
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| elFreak |
the gold star comment was a generalization of people of your faith, not your actual grandparents.
that being said, as far as intellectual convos go, i covered that part in my last post.
people who engage in topics regarding faith with those who are not "believers" as they are, tend to do it more for reasons of wanting to "convert people to the flock" (aka utterly insecure and the only possible way) than for any actual intellectual purposes.
faith is a system of beliefs and is completely unrelated to being a system of facts. The same can be applied as much to atheists/agnostics as it can be applied to any form of faith.
I am not even a religious person, it is only when i saw how faith has helped people i know as a coping mechanism to help with loss or any other tribulations they might be going through that made me lighten up on the "my way is better" bull.
that being said http://www.venganza.org/ till the day that i die, and if you don't believe me you are wrong. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
people who engage in topics regarding faith with those who are not "believers" as they are, tend to do it more for reasons of wanting to "convert people to the flock" (aka utterly insecure and the only possible way) than for any actual intellectual purposes. |
See, but this isn't what I was referring to. When I get in these types of conversations, I like to understand why someone believes. I don't try to convert them. I may challenge what they believe, but only in a manner in which to understand their beliefs. Not to say, "Hey motherfucker, I am right, and you're wrong." I thoroughly enjoy understanding the reasoning behind things, whether it be someones faith or the reason there is a number tattooed on their arm. |
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| Meat187 |
This thread is getting too serious, so let me direct your attention once again to this:
| quote: | Originally posted by Ridexer
What is god? |
| quote: | Originally posted by Meat187
The name of Ygrene's dog. |
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| elFreak |
they believe because they simply believe.
i know you don't understand that, but it isn't for you to understand.
it is really that simple.
who are you to challenge anything someone chooses to believe even if they are wrong? Think about it very carefully.;) |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
No, people believe because they want to. They see evidence because they want to. I don't know about you, but this suggests that people will blindly follow most any doctrine that's presented to them in a proper social setting should it adequately tickle their need to perceive reality in a more favourable way - there is nothing wrong with this desire whatsoever, as I suppose that almost everybody does it in one way or another, but getting some people to admit this often turns out entertaining.
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
who are you to challenge anything someone chooses to believe even if they are wrong? |
Just the same - who are they to say that their perceptions are justified by their faith?
Truly, nobody is anybody. But when your world perspective involves me and where my life is heading, I think the disdain is just as prevalent, only theirs is dressed up in more kitsch than a wedding cake. |
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| elFreak |
put it this way, what is worse:
wanting to believe or needing to feel like you are right?
refers you back to the third reich neo paganism discussion:p |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
put it this way, what is worse:
wanting to believe or needing to feel like you are right? |
In a political and historical sense, I fail to see the difference.
| quote: | | refers you back to the third reich neo paganism discussion:p |
See? There is so little difference. They wanted to believe, so they imposed their world view - they needed to feel "right" because they were social animals. Any given society could succumb to the exact same thing, and likely will again. |
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| enydo |
| I think we can all agree that we should just spend a night in Rapecity. |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
In a political and historical sense, I fail to see the difference.
See? There is so little difference. They wanted to believe, so they imposed their world view - they needed to feel "right" because they were social animals. Any given society could succumb to the exact same thing, and likely will again. |
in a political and historical sense you are arguing for the sake of arguing. |
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| Meat187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
I think we can all agree that we should just spend a night at the Roxbury. |
Fixed. |
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| elFreak |
"let it be"
- john lennon
"peanut butter jelly time, peanut butter jelly time"
-jesus christ (of latter day saints) |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| John Lennon was a ing untalented idiot, AND THAT'S MY PERSONAL BELIEF WHO WOULD YOU BE TO SAY OTHERWISE LOLCOLZDFD |
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