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Supermarkets 5 cents a bag... Short sightedness at it's best! (pg. 6)
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Whooosh over the head again LOL |
Yeah? You want me to mail you those bags or what? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Toronto has an ambitious plan to reduce waste to landfill by 70% by 2010. This means that consumption of one-time use containers will have to decrease dramatically. As you can see in the above picture from the Star, trash on city streets is made up of plastic bags, coffee cups, and fast food containers. Just imagine what would happen to New York City’s trash volume if Starbucks forced all their patrons to bring their own cups!
According to the Toronto Star, the city is considering three options:
An outright ban.
A levy or tax on the items. (Charging extra would presumably influence consumers to use recyclable cups or containers.)
A deposit-return program similar to the provincial bottle return program, whereby consumers get at least a portion of their money back if they turn in the container, making the seller responsible for recycling it.
Toronto’s ambitous plans are spurred by a landfill that’s nearing capacity and the desire to avoid incineration, which can release toxic gases and large amounts of global warming gases. But will their initiative work?
Reducing waste to landfill through legislation
Let’s take a look at the three options presented by the Toronto government, as well as their possible pros and cons:
1. Ban: Considering that the ban would take place on a business level, I think it would be very successful. All one would need to do is pop into any coffee shop and see if they’re handing out disposable cups, then slap a big fine on the company. Since this ban eliminates consumer choice, there are actually very few points of mediation between the government and potential offenders (limited to business owners). However, jumping from no regulation to ban at breakneck speed leaves little room for consumers or businesses to change their habits, and will likely lead to ill will and resistance, even amongst those who agree with the cause in principle.
2. Tax: I think taxes are the best solution here. No one likes taxes, and they may not affect the type of person who goes into a coffee shop for a $4 mocha latte, but that fact is that taxes get things done. Would you bring your favorite coffee mug to get coffee on the way to work if it meant saving a dollar a week? I would. And for all those people who don’t want to conserve and would rather pay the tax, that money can go to recycling or waste management programs to otherwise deal with the problems caused by disposable food containers.
3. Deposit: Deposits sound nice in principle, but when was the last time anyone ever turned in a can for deposit? There is a program in my state, but I’m too lazy to do it, so I just put my recycling out and expect nothing in return. Plus, because most of the waste in question here is food waste, the return system would have to be handled within the place of business, which would not only inconvenience people grabbing food and leaving, but the businesses that now have to collect and store trash in a new way, as well as issue deposit refunds. I actually think this would be more burdensome than an outright ban, and would eventually fail insofar as it would not affect any real change.
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| malek |
If they wanted to reduce the use of those bags, they should simply not sell them.
By selling them, someone will make a profit out of it, and the root problem is still intact. Plastic bags end up in the land fill.
But the chains know full well how this will create havoc with their clients. |
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| StereoPrincess |
the plan is to ban them outright. so get used to not getting for free or even five cents. this is just a transition.
are you people really ing upset about 5 cents?
and shut it about it being about the principle of the thing. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
the plan is to ban them outright. so get used to not getting for free or even five cents. this is just a transition.
are you people really ing upset about 5 cents?
and shut it about it being about the principle of the thing. |
Yes shut it... screw principles.. who needs em? :rolleyes: |
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| Sentinal |
David Miller is a cooch.
Dalton Mchead is a moron.
Politics in Toronto is a joke and I would never live there for that reason.
I love Ontario but I wish Ontarioians would wake up and vote Dalton out. Or at the absolute least a minority government so they cannot pass whatever legislation they please. Majority governments = trouble. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| So you'd rather use 8-10 plastic bags for what you could fit into 1-2 fabric bags? You don't like making your life easier? Instead you'd rather make it about government control and bitch and moan?? You're ed. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sentinal
David Miller is a cooch.
Majority socialist governments = trouble. |
FIXED
But it seems people want the nanny state. That is until the moment it interferes with THEIR choices. Then its an outrage! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
So you'd rather use 8-10 plastic bags for what you could fit into 1-2 fabric bags? You don't like making your life easier? Instead you'd rather make it about government control and bitch and moan?? You're ed. |
Fabric bags make great garbage bags! :rolleyes: |
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| bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Yes shut it... screw principles.. who needs em? :rolleyes: |
You're an idiot. You of all people should be welcoming this transition with open arms. God knows what kind of inbred retards you're going to spawn, they'll probably end up suffocating themselves in a plastic bag playing Spaceman Adventures 2020. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Yeah, I offered to mail you my plastic bags...but you seem to keep ignoring that. ;) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by bas
You're an idiot. You of all people should be welcoming this transition with open arms. God knows what kind of inbred retards you're going to spawn, they'll probably end up suffocating themselves in a plastic bag playing Spaceman Adventures 2020. |
Wow! flattery will get you everywhere! LOL |
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