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Toronto is about to make life a lot more difficult for motorists... on purpose! (pg. 10)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You probably also pay a fortune to rent some small ty apartment, struggle with basic errands like grocery shopping, spend 2 weeks organizing a simple road trip (assuming you go on any), rarely visit any friends or family outside the downtown core, and stew in your own ball sweat when you are forced to go out of your way on a hot day.
Life is full of trade-offs. |
exactly |
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| Dr. Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You probably also pay a fortune to rent some small ty apartment, struggle with basic errands like grocery shopping, spend 2 weeks organizing a simple road trip (assuming you go on any), rarely visit any friends or family outside the downtown core, and stew in your own ball sweat when you are forced to go out of your way on a hot day.
Life is full of trade-offs. |
This may be a little bit difficult to understand but you can own a car and a bicycle at the same time. Only one of those is suited for downtown commuting. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. Z
This may be a little bit difficult to understand but you can own a car and a bicycle at the same time. Only one of those is suited for downtown commuting. |
I used to until the bike got stolen. Dont feel like making that mistake again! |
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Actually its better to just avoid toronto altogether which is what is going to be the common realization soon enough |
please don't leave jay!!! |
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| 5hiftn6ears |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. Z
Only one of those is suited for downtown commuting. |
Again, not everyone's day to day can be done on a bike. What part of that don't you understand? |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by 5hiftn6ears
Again, not everyone's day to day can be done on a bike. What part of that don't you understand? |
there's so many reasons one can't take the bike to work...
-health condition, handicap
-weather
-distances
-some jobs need a car (rep for example)
-not all offices offer showers
-etc |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| I could just imagine the look on insureds faces if I showed up to their house on my 12 speed with my bike helmet on. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Better to pay for the oil then most downtown rents, property values and taxes!
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you're just as bad as the militant cyclist advocates with such exaggerated remarks.
I'd itemize all the benefits I enjoy living and working in the downtown core, but what's the point. it comes down to personal choice and priorities. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
it comes down to personal choice and priorities. |
That's exactly it. Riding a bike is one of those choices, and when you make that choice, you make it knowing that you are sharing the road with vehicles about 500 times your weight, some of them being driven by people who are exhausted, distracted, high, etc. This is called risk, and it accompanies every important decision in life. It is certainly OK to take a risk, but highly inappropriate to demand that everybody else inconvenience themselves and potentially expose themselves to greater risk in order to make the experience less risky and more convenient for yourself.
The world is a much bigger, faster place than it was 100 years ago. If you can accomplish what you need to accomplish with just a bike, that's great. However, cyclists should understand that bicycle is no longer the preferred mode of transportation - not downtown, not anywhere. It may serve a small number of people, but is too impractical for the vast majority. It does not make logical sense to design a city for the benefit of a very small number of people with very modest requirements; a well-designed system is designed to accommodate the maximum expected stress, not the minimum.
There's not enough living space downtown anyway to accommodate everyone who currently commutes. And these same people who want fewer cars are usually the ones opposed to high-rise construction and in favour of subsidized housing. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
you're just as bad as the militant cyclist advocates with such exaggerated remarks.
I'd itemize all the benefits I enjoy living and working in the downtown core, but what's the point. it comes down to personal choice and priorities. |
I like downtown toronto but like it less and less. Because what i see is regression in all areas of city life. Is there a premium to live downtown? Sure. Is it worth it? Not as much!
And i can thank policies such as this one for changing that! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
That's exactly it. Riding a bike is one of those choices, and when you make that choice, you make it knowing that you are sharing the road with vehicles about 500 times your weight, some of them being driven by people who are exhausted, distracted, high, etc. This is called risk, and it accompanies every important decision in life. It is certainly OK to take a risk, but highly inappropriate to demand that everybody else inconvenience themselves and potentially expose themselves to greater risk in order to make the experience less risky and more convenient for yourself.
The world is a much bigger, faster place than it was 100 years ago. If you can accomplish what you need to accomplish with just a bike, that's great. However, cyclists should understand that bicycle is no longer the preferred mode of transportation - not downtown, not anywhere. It may serve a small number of people, but is too impractical for the vast majority. It does not make logical sense to design a city for the benefit of a very small number of people with very modest requirements; a well-designed system is designed to accommodate the maximum expected stress, not the minimum.
There's not enough living space downtown anyway to accommodate everyone who currently commutes. And these same people who want fewer cars are usually the ones opposed to high-rise construction and in favour of subsidized housing. |
Subways and one way roads are the only real solutions for toronto. That and elevated pedestrian, light rapid rail and/or roadways |
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| kotsy |
the hell with parking spaces and car lanes
Real Torontonians bike, walk or take ttc
I motion to completely shut down Yonge from Front to Bloor and turn it into a huge sidewalk |
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