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Squeezin the nuts out your mix (pg. 4)
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
They should remove the visual display from every wave editor, idiots use it and think that how is looks actually means something, some people actually load up their favorite track next to theirs and try to make the wave the same shape. And that is common practice among morons.
Clipping can destroy your speaker, even if there isn't any distortion. |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Here are some more examples...
Good mixing + mastering (to my ears):
Solid Sessions - "Janeiro": [mp3][image]
Dance 2 Trance - "Psychedelic Solution": [mp3][image]
The Orb - "U.F.Orb": [mp3][image]
Poor ultra-compressed mastering:
Spooky - "Stereophonic": [mp3][image] |
stop looking at the waveforms like they actually mean anything, get a brain morans |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
stop looking at the waveforms like they actually mean anything, get a brain morans |
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I put up mp3s so people can actually hear the difference... |
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| mysticalninja |
| yea but you put up a visual display like it actually matters. havent you heard, that is common practice among morons. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| The visual display gives you a rough impression of variation in loudness. I agree that it's dumb to try to make your display look exactly like someone else's. It's the sound that matters. |
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| Knowland |
| If I have a track with lots of expression in the mix then I would not heavily limit it. Compression on the other hand, I love to use on the master because it almost mixes the track for you. A good way to use it is to dial in the attack and release so when elements drop they take a little more focus than the rest of the mix, and keep the ratio low. After that I would limit, crush the spikes and call it a day. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Knowland
Compression on the other hand, I love to use on the master because it almost mixes the track for you. |
Huh? How does compression "mix the track" for you? |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Huh? How does compression "mix the track" for you? |
Compression is a very bad way of "evening" out the sound levels of all your sounds. [smashing them to a certain ceiling] It is of course better to mix your tracks yourself.
To say it sounds better than your own skill at mixing is very bad. |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Compression is a very bad way of "evening" out the sound levels of all your sounds. [smashing them to a certain ceiling] It is of course better to mix your tracks yourself.
To say it sounds better than your own skill at mixing is very bad. |
your back :eek: |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
stop looking at the waveforms like they actually mean anything, get a brain morans |
You never look at the waveforms for anything?
I can tell when something is over compressed in Ableton; it'll be jammed in their pretty well. It's not hard to spot older tracks with less severe compression. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
You're clipping the track on purpose? |
Yep. Its actually one of the ways a lot of tracks are mastered. Limiters are great and all, but sometimes clipping a sample here and there can give you an extra .03 of headroom and no one will notice. A single clipped sample here and there isn't noticable. |
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| Knowland |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Compression is a very bad way of "evening" out the sound levels of all your sounds. [smashing them to a certain ceiling] It is of course better to mix your tracks yourself.
To say it sounds better than your own skill at mixing is very bad. |
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Learn to produce music before you run your mouth.
Mixing into the compressor, the compressor as it will be set when the mix is finished, makes the fader's levels sound as it will when it's finished. Just adjusting the compressor once the mix is done, it's like saying the compressor knows better than you how to handle the levels. How many times do you go back after you apply compression to the master to adjust the faders? Well, news for you, that's mixing into the compressor! Point is this, compression brings out the loudest sounds and this allows one to subtlely change what is in the foreground, and have the background adjusted automatically as the foreground sounds are mixed. This also prevents a static mechanical sounding mix that reaks of amateur.
A compressor used in this way usually has the attack and release set to a minimum of one beat. Hence we are not limiting. |
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