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Official NHL 2009-2010 Season Thread. (pg. 7)
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| bamski |
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and keep in mind that only the best go to nhl & khl. the ones that are just above average end up in switzerland or sweden, so you can imagine what an amateur-league we have atm :p
but i still dare say that when it comes to goalies, ain't nobody gonna touch us :)
btw.. who would you (ALL OF YOU) pick as finlands starting goalie in the olympics?
i have some minor issues regarding kipper due to his past in the nationals :p
i was about to make a thread for vancouver, but then i remembered that i suck. |
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| Schadenfreude |
quebec goalies beat finland goalies hands down sorry:p
it is not even close either.
that being said, team finland would be insane not to start Backstrom.
rinni, kipper are good, although kipper is getting tier and tier every year.
are you honestly trying to say that finland has a goalie the likes of brodeur, luongo, or fleury? you crazy man.
tell me why a finnish goalie has never won a stanley cup then:p |
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| bamski |
well i can't counter your patrick roy defense, canada is the motherland and in general they can't be beat. just look at the general numbers for licensed players per country, i think you must have like a million players to one of ours :p
good point about the championships, kipper was close. keep in mind that finnish goalies had not been trusted with the position of starting goalie until 2002 when pasi made it in atlanta, only to have his knees wrecked and ending his career15 years before it was due. he was drafted by the the thrashers as their sixth-round pick, #189 overall, in the 2001 NHL Entry Draft. so it's not exactly easy for a foreigner to make it as a goalie over there :p
ps me also picks backs :) |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by bamski
i'm all for it. but can you imagine how ing much it sucks that everytime we have a prospect like this he plays for one, two seasons tops over here, and his whole prime is spent over there. :(
i see potential and possibilities, i wanna see players damnit.
it's as simple as this, we raise, you enjoy.
and every spring all our best teams lose their best players to khl etc.. mid-ing-season. imagine your team had a goalie that won you like 27 games out of the first 30, only to be bought by the russians.. mid-ing-season. even the swedish league is 20 times tougher than we are atm. and the worst part is that we simply can't compete when it comes to salaries. :( |
come watch some EIHL and then tell me what you have is bad :p |
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| bamski |
| kim ahlroos :stongue: |
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| Schadenfreude |
i still think that finland produces better goalies than any other position, so at least in some sense we do agree a little bit.
If finland hopes to have any shot at a medal this year, it is going to happen in goal, because the rest of the team is aging and the lineup i have seen is probably one of the weaker ones in years. A hot goalie can take any team far though, so i would not say that a medal is completely out of the question, it will only be very difficult due to the high quality of the other teams in the tourney.
Torino can be an example of this, if you can get play from the starter similar to how Antero Niittymäki played in 2006 then i can see Finland claiming a possible bronze.
If the final is anything other than Canada vs Russia, i think everyone will be massively surprised, myself included. Putting the home ice advantage aside, these 2 teams are head and shoulders above the rest. I don't see the same choking by older players like in Torino...bot teams got younger and more dynamic imo.
if i had to pick another dark horse contender for a medal, i'll go with slovakia. They have a better team then the czhechs, are quicker, have an underated goalie in Halak, who can steal a few games, and Zdeno Chara will be a huge obstacle for any team they face.
Slovakia is the team with the most to prove, that no one expects anything from. This could be disaster for anyone who takes them lightly.
The Americans have a shot at a medal as well, due to having the hottest goalie in the world right now in Ryan Miller.
The Swedes are weaker than in the past, so i am going to go out on a limb and say that they are most certainly on the outside looking in this year.
The great part about international hockey right now is that the caliber of countries that were once pushovers has increased drastically. The swiss or the germans can not be expected to win anything, but i certainly believe that one of these teams will upset a favourite at some point in the tourney. With 1 game eliminations, anything and everything is possible. |
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| Schadenfreude |
rosters in the order i think they will finish.
Canada (anything less than gold is a failure, on home ice they have the highest expectations of all time)
1 Roberto Luongo L/G 6'3" 205 04/04/79 Montreal, Que./QC Vancouver Canucks (NHL)
29 Marc-André Fleury L/G 6'2" 180 11/28/84 Sorel, Que./QC Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL)
30 Martin Brodeur L/G 6'2" 210 05/06/72 Montreal, Que./QC New Jersey Devils (NHL)
Defence/Défenseurs
2 Duncan Keith L/G 6'1" 194 07/16/83 Penticton, B.C./C.-B. Chicago Blackhawks (NHL)
6 Shea Weber R/D 6'4" 230 08/14/85 Sicamous, B.C./C.-B. Nashville Predators (NHL)
7 Brent Seabrook R/D 6'3" 220 04/20/85 Tsawwassen, B.C./C.-B. Chicago Blackhawks (NHL)
8 Drew Doughty R/D 6'1" 203 12/08/89 London, Ont. Los Angeles Kings (NHL)
20 Chris Pronger L/G 6'6" 213 10/10/74 Dryden, Ont. Philadelphia Flyers (NHL)
22 Dan Boyle R/D 5'11" 190 07/12/76 Ottawa, Ont. San Jose Sharks (NHL)
27 Scott Niedermayer L/G 6'1" 200 08/31/73 Cranbrook, B.C./C.-B. Anaheim Ducks (NHL)
Forwards/Avants
10 Brenden Morrow L/G 5'11" 205 01/16/79 Carlyle, Sask. Dallas Stars (NHL)
11 Patrick Marleau L/G 6'2" 220 09//15/79 Aneroid, Sask. San Jose Sharks (NHL)
12 Jarome Iginla R/D 6'1" 203 07/01/77 St. Albert, Alta./Alb. Calgary Flames (NHL)
15 Dany Heatley L/G 6'3" 216 01/21/81 Calgary, Alta./Alb. San Jose Sharks (NHL)
16 Jonathan Toews L/G 6'2" 209 04/29/88 Winnipeg, Man. Chicago Blackhawks (NHL)
18 Michael Richards L/G 5'11" 195 02/11/85 Kenora, Ont. Philadelphia Flyers (NHL)
19 Joe Thornton L/G 6'4" 235 07/02/79 St. Thomas, Ont. San Jose Sharks (NHL)
21 Eric Staal L/G 6'4" 205 10/29/84 Thunder Bay, Ont. Carolina Hurricanes (NHL)
24 Corey Perry R/D 6'3" 209 03/16/85 Peterborough, Ont. Anaheim Ducks (NHL)
37 Patrice Bergeron R/D 6'2" 194 07/24/85 Sillery, Que./QC Boston Bruins (NHL)
51 Ryan Getzlaf R/D 6'4" 221 05/10/85 Regina, Sask. Anaheim Ducks (NHL)
61 Rick Nash L/G 6'4" 218 06/16/84 Brampton, Ont. Columbus Blue Jackets (NHL)
87 Sidney Crosby L/G 5'11" 200 08/07/87 Cole Harbour, N.S./N.-É. Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL)
Russia (power house, the cdn vs cccp will most likely be the most watched game of hockey history between the sport's 2 biggest rivals.)
Russian camp roster:
Goaltenders: Ilya Bryzgalov (Phoenix Coyotes, NHL), Simeon Varlamov (Washington Capitals, NHL), Alexander Eremenko (Salavat Yulayev Ufa, RUS), Evgeni Nabokov (San Jose Sharks, NHL).
Defencemen: Vitali Atyushov (Metallurg Magnitogorsk, RUS), Vitali Vishnevsky (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, RUS), Anton Volchenkov (Ottawa Senators, NHL), Sergei Gonchar (Pittsburgh Penguins, NHL), Denis Grebeshkov (Edmonton Oilers, NHL), Alexei Zhitnik (Dynamo Moscow, RUS), Sergei Zubov (Dallas Stars, NHL), Dmitri Kalinin (Salavat Yulayev Ufa, RUS), Maxim Kondratiev (Salavat Yulayev Ufa, RUS), Konstantin Korneyev (CSKA Moscow, RUS), Andrei Markov (Montreal Canadiens, NHL), Ilya Nikulin (Ak Bars Kazan, RUS), Vitali Proshkin (Salavat Yulayev Ufa, RUS), Oleg Tverdovsky (Salavat Yulayev Ufa, RUS), Fedor Tyutin (Columbus Blue Jackets, NHL).
Forwards: Evgeny Artyukhin (Tampa Bay Lightning, NHL), Maxim Afinogenov (Buffalo Sabres, NHL), Konstantin Gorovikov (SKA St. Petersburg, RUS), Pavel Datsyuk (Detroit Red Wings, NHL), Danis Zaripov (Ak Bars Kazan, RUS), Sergei Zinoviev (Salavat Yulayev Ufa, RUS), Alexei Kovalev (Ottawa Senators, NHL), Ilya Kovalchuk (Atlanta Trashers, NHL), Viktor Kozlov (Salavat Yulayev Ufa, RUS), Nikolai Kulemin (Toronto Maple Leafs, NHL), Evgeni Malkin (Pittsburgh Penguins, NHL), Alexei Morozov (Ak Bars Kazan, RUS), Alexander Ovechkin (Washington Capitals, NHL), Alexander Radulov (Salavat Yulayev Ufa, RUS), Oleg Saprykin (Dynamo Moscow, RUS), Alexander Semin (Washington Capitals, NHL), Alexei Tereschenko (Ak Bars Kazan, RUS), Sergei Fedorov (Metallurg Magnitogorsk, RUS), Alexander Frolov (Los Angeles Kings, NHL).
Team Usa (I don't think they have a great team, but as mentionned before, they have the hottest goalie in the world right now who might win both the vezina and the leauge mvp for single handedly carrying the buffalo sabres all year. If he can make buffalo a contender, he can make team usa one. If he doesn't step up it will be between finland and sweden most likely.)
2010 U.S. Olympic
Men's Ice Hockey Team
Forwards (13)
David Backes
Dustin Brown
Ryan Callahan
Chris Drury
Patrick Kane
Ryan Kesler
Phil Kessel
Jamie Langenbrunner
Ryan Malone
Zach Parise
Joe Pavelski
Bobby Ryan
Paul Stastny
Defensemen (7)
Erik Johnson
Jack Johnson
Mike Komisarek
Paul Martin
Brooks Orpik
Brian Rafalski
Ryan Suter
Goaltenders (3)
Ryan Miller
Jonathan Quick
Tim Thomas |
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| bamski |
| quote: | Originally posted by Schadenfreude
If finland hopes to have any shot at a medal this year, it is going to happen in goal, because the rest of the team is aging and the lineup i have seen is probably one of the weaker ones in years. A hot goalie can take any team far though, so i would not say that a medal is completely out of the question, it will only be very difficult due to the high quality of the other teams in the tourney. |
i honestly don't think we have a realistic shot at a medal, not even bronze. as you said, this is the worst team we've had for ages. we have absolutely NO defensemen that could compete at the same level as all of the better countries, from slovakia to canada. a nice bonus is that teemu might be out, same goes for t.ruutu, lehtinen, and now timonen.. saku is barely hanging in there
| quote: | | If the final is anything other than Canada vs Russia, i think everyone will be massively surprised, myself included. Putting the home ice advantage aside, these 2 teams are head and shoulders above the rest. I don't see the same choking by older players like in Torino...bot teams got younger and more dynamic imo.. |
same.
| quote: | | if i had to pick another dark horse contender for a medal, i'll go with slovakia. They have a better team then the czhechs, are quicker, have an underated goalie in Halak, who can steal a few games, and Zdeno Chara will be a huge obstacle for any team they face.. |
same.
you did say sweden, right?
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The Americans have a shot at a medal as well, due to having the hottest goalie in the world right now in Ryan Miller.. |
man i love miller, usa might be a tough opponent especially for you, for the same reason fin-swe can go anyway :p |
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| bamski |
Team Finland
Goaltenders:
Miikka Kiprusoff Calgary Flames
Niklas Bäckström Minnesota Wild
Antero Niittymäki Tampa Bay Lightning
Defensemen:
Kimmo Timonen Philadelphia Flyers
Sami Salo Vancouver Canucks
Joni Pitkänen Carolina Hurricanes
Lasse Kukkonen Avangard Omsk
Toni Lydman Buffalo Sabres
Sami Lepistö Phoenix Coyotes
Ossi Väänänen Dynamo Minsk
Forwards:
Mikko Koivu Minnesota Wild
Tuomo Ruutu Carolina Hurricanes
Antti Miettinen Minnesota Wild
Teemu Selänne Anaheim Ducks
Saku Koivu Anaheim Ducks
Jere Lehtinen Dallas Stars
Niklas Hagman Toronto Maple Leafs
Olli Jokinen Calgary Flames
Valtteri Filppula Detroit Red Wings
Jarkko Ruutu Ottawa Senators
Niko Kapanen Ak Bars Kazan
Ville Peltonen Dynamo Minsk
Jarkko Immonen Ak Bars Kazan
Team Sweden:
Forward:
lolfoppa |
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| Schadenfreude |
i do think sweden has a shot, but i felt like saying slovakia just because i think they are the most improved team of all the countries.
you do know that koivu is injured right?:p
hopefully for you guys he will still be able to play.
i think selanne has a broken jaw...confirm or deny? |
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| Schadenfreude |
| nevermind he has a fractured hand, not good news. |
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