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Rape (pg. 2)
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| Slylee |
| well i just think maybe your views of statutory rape will change when you have a 15 year old daughter and some 18 year old senior in high school wants to do her. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
well i just think maybe your views of statutory rape will change when you have a 15 year old daughter and some 18 year old senior in high school wants to do her. |
Yeah because emotions should be our rule of law. :rolleyes:
This is precisely why we need cold hearted s in law. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Passed out is just messed. You don't around like that. I am indifferent about being drunk. |
Depends on the level of intoxication. Some people are affected by alcohol/drugs differently and there's no doubt that some girls can still be semi-conscious but in no state to be able to give free, informed consent.
The main problem with the legal definition of rape is that it hinges on the subjective mental state of the victim.. as a crime in the common law tradition it's fairly unique in that sense, but I don't see any viable alternatives. I guess all we can do is trust in the greatest advantage of the common law - that it at least attempts to judge each case on its merits... that and feel sorry for the poor sods that get done even though they're innocent. |
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| bas |
mother****** stole my idea :mad: |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
Depends on the level of intoxication. Some people are affected by alcohol/drugs differently and there's no doubt that some girls can still be semi-conscious but in no state to be able to give free, informed consent.
The main problem with the legal definition of rape is that it hinges on the subjective mental state of the victim.. as a crime in the common law tradition it's fairly unique in that sense, but I don't see any viable alternatives. I guess all we can do is trust in the greatest advantage of the common law - that it at least attempts to judge each case on its merits... that and feel sorry for the poor sods that get done even though they're innocent. |
Yeah that is the thing I was having issues with in my own mind. Different levels of intoxication can easily either inhibit or totally incapacitate someones ability to make the decision.
I do have to agree that it is unfortunately the only viable alternative. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
Depends on the level of intoxication. Some people are affected by alcohol/drugs differently and there's no doubt that some girls can still be semi-conscious but in no state to be able to give free, informed consent.
The main problem with the legal definition of rape is that it hinges on the subjective mental state of the victim.. as a crime in the common law tradition it's fairly unique in that sense, but I don't see any viable alternatives. I guess all we can do is trust in the greatest advantage of the common law - that it at least attempts to judge each case on its merits... that and feel sorry for the poor sods that get done even though they're innocent. |
I agree.... judgement based on merits. Unfortunately, so often that's hard to do. I found this excerpton false rape accusations disturbing... and it's from 15 years ago! I wonder how the numbers have changed since 1994:
| quote: | A study of rape allegations in Indiana over a nine-year period revealed that over 40% were shown to be false — not merely unproven. According to the author, “These false allegations appear to serve three major functions for the complainants: providing an alibi, seeking revenge, and obtaining sympathy and attention. False rape allegations are not the consequence of a gender-linked aberration, as frequently claimed, but reflect impulsive and desperate efforts to cope with personal and social stress situations.”
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Kanin EJ. Arch Sex Behav. 1994 Feb;23(1):81-92 False rape allegations.
Anyway the problem with the legal grey area that comes from being under the influence of alcohol is that, when women voluntarily choose to put themselves in those drunken situations, they make themselves vulnerable, and responsible people have to end up taking care of them like they're children. And they become unaccountable for the infantile powerless postion they've put themselves in- and ironically are powerfully protected by that powerlessness because all they have to do is cry rape/victim/not resonsible for my actions.... which often happens when they feel guilty for their behavior or don't want people to "think they're a whore"; they are basically allowed to take part in any sexual fantasy they choose with really very little consequence.
Too often it's the poor bastards who thought they lucked into one of those Penthouse letters-turned-real-life who end up in the clink or have their reputations ruined. The statistics say this kind of happens more frequently than it ever should. The whole "it's not your fault" meme needs to have a caveat attached to that statement... I know we're supposed to passionately feed women that, and it is true most of the time because yeah, the crime (when it's real) is committed by the guy, but we should stop pretending like there's no connection between their behavior and the crimes committed against them. I know they don't ask to be raped, but rape happens and it's going to happen to women who make themselves easy marks. To be truly empowered as women, they should take more personal responsibility for themselves. Common sense goes a long way. Fellas, be careful.
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| Scoops |
I don't like the word rape....
Surprise Sex sounds more postive |
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| Vivid Boy |
| i had a buddy who got accussed of rape by some girl. its funny because we both ed her at the same time, and he got accused. guess she loved him more. :( :( :( :( :( |
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| Sushipunk |
This thread needs more Jew Beard
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| R.j. |
I remember in eighth grade, my ex-girlfriend broke off the 'relationship' between us, and rightly so, since, at one point, she went to live in Mexico with her aunt/uncle (or some relatives, I don't know); and for some reason I had this crazy idea that she was getting banged day in and day out by them Mexican pretty boys, and I started bad mouthing her to her friends and so forth. Which was, yes, really really stupid on my part. So whatever, she got wind o' things, and on her return she broke up with me, yada yada yada.
Anyways, it must've really bothered her (like REALLY bothered her) so there ensued a verbal mudslinging contest between us, our friends caught in the middle. So the score was pretty even a week or two later (we both had dirt on each other--you know, kids at that age spew so much on telephone conversations) and, to cap her score, she accused me of raping her. Well, first, it started as with me forcing her to do me favors, then full-on rape. Which was, of course, total bullcock. Soooo!! I basically lost a whole group of friends because o' that little fib. Ah, well.
The irony is that she was the pervert in the relationship. |
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