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eric prydz mastering techniques? (pg. 4)
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| Fledz |
| The old you can't be a pro without hardware argument again Kismet? :rolleyes: |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
The old you can't be a pro without hardware argument again Kismet? :rolleyes: |
It will fail for the 1000th time. |
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| Kismet7 |
k...suit yourselves.
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| EgosXII |
there are a number of guys who don't use any hardware.. i think it just takes more skill than using hardware...
Jonas stenberg just uses a laptop and headphones and makes some wicked tunes for example..
laidback luke, and obviously prydz do extremely well with mnml gear too..
respekt to them!
i would personally find it pretty hard to go without monitors and soundcard these days but it's definitely not impossible to get a pro sound without hardware
apparently benno de Goeji made armin's imagine ITB as well... or most of it
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
He uses a Mac and Logic for Arrangement/Composition and perhaps the bulk of mixing (which we knew.) That said, those pictures are vague to reason or safely speculate that everything is done ITB, without any outboard processing, mixer, or any synths. |
i think it's fairly paranoid if you're suggesting he lies about not using hardware, and mixing/mastering itb... why would he lie?? |
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| Richard Butler |
| I get Future Music mag every month. I'd say more than halve the producers interviewed do it ITB. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
He uses a Mac and Logic for Arrangement/Composition and perhaps the bulk of mixing (which we knew.) That said, those pictures are vague to reason or safely speculate that everything is done ITB, without any outboard processing, mixer, or any synths.
The whole point is, and I dont benefit from more contenders (neither does Prydz obviously), a great sound is a result of mixing skills coupled with good equipment. For the average producer, it will be a heavy uphill battle without having good equipment to produce on or an engineer that does things for you. So either you can think that an entirely ITB mix will regularly get you the sound that can be played by countless DJs on countless systems, or you accept the reality that a good mix requires proper equipment alongside developed sound engineering skills. |
There ARE itb mixes being played by countless djs on countless systems week in week out lol, Prydz gets plenty of play from top djs everywhere! Thats the reality right there chief
Who are you to say that this isnt possible? Just because you need to use hardware doesnt mean other people have to!
One of the biggest fallacies is that if you arent getting the desired results you go out and pick up a few hardware synths and all of a sudden everything is ok lol |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
One of the biggest fallacies is that if you arent getting the desired results you go out and pick up a few hardware synths and all of a sudden everything is ok lol |
This. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
One of the biggest fallacies is that if you arent getting the desired results you go out and pick up a few hardware synths and all of a sudden everything is ok lol |
Yep.
Imagine putting an ok cook in a pro kitchen - they definitely would not produce a better dish. Put a top chef in any old kitchen and they will impress. |
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| evo8 |
Just to say im not opposed to people using hardware, thats not my point at all.
In fact i wouldnt mind picking up a synth myself sometime just for the hands on feel/inspiration etc
What i am opposed to is people insisting that you need hardware in order to make a good track that would be played out. |
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| Eric J |
There does seem to be a misconception among some producers, especially new and inexperienced producers, that the difference between them and their favorite producer is money and hardware, rather than talent and experience. It's kind of like saying "I could drive as far as Tiger Woods if I owned a $10,000 driver." Well, no not really. Tiger drives 300+ because he's got loads of talent and years of intense practice.
The thing that hardware can do for you is make your job a bit easier because IME it takes less work to get good sounds out of a good hardware synth. I spend much less time getting sounds right out of my Little Phatty, than I do out of any of my software instruments. This makes hardware more immediate for some, thereby creating the illusion that hardware is better. Hardware also provides a tactile interface, which can be infinitely more inspiring that turning dials with a mouse for some. The trade off I have is that hardware is less flexible, because I generally have to print my hardware parts fairly quickly, especially with a monophonic synthesizer. This makes it more difficult to change parts later, which can be a PITA.
As one gains more and more experience, you find it much easier to get good sounds out of software, and, in some cases, the trade off is worth it to avoid certain hassles in using outboard hardware. There are lots of situations where I dont need a big sound out of a source. I need something thin or "light" to fit in the mix. There are some things that software is still trying to do well, such as accurately emulating an analogue circuit, but there are also things that software can do that is not possible in the physical world, such as look-ahead compression and limiting.
Here is a great 3 part video with Jono from A&B talking at a seminar during an IMS show. The track he is demonstrating was made in all software, on his laptop. At one point he talks about how he is usually a hardware guy, but he was forced to make this remix all on his laptop. He discusses how there was a bit of an adjustment to working strictly on a laptop coming from a hardware studio. Its a good example of how a good producer utilizes the talent he has with the tools he has available to make good tracks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT3z3e40u6c |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
He uses a Mac and Logic for Arrangement/Composition and perhaps the bulk of mixing (which we knew.) That said, those pictures are vague to reason or safely speculate that everything is done ITB, without any outboard processing, mixer, or any synths.
The whole point is, and I dont benefit from more contenders (neither does Prydz obviously), a great sound is a result of mixing skills coupled with good equipment. For the average producer, it will be a heavy uphill battle without having good equipment to produce on or an engineer that does things for you. So either you can think that an entirely ITB mix will regularly get you the sound that can be played by countless DJs on countless systems, or you accept the reality that a good mix requires proper equipment alongside developed sound engineering skills. |
It depends what you mean by proper eqiupment. If your talking about having hardware as a definate then thats bold and an assumption that shouldnt really be made. As said by others in this thread laidback luke works from his laptop enitrely (not saying all the time) but he admits all here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQSER4QsrPg
If you mean proper equipment by sound banks etc then yeah that always helps. But logic has its own huge soundbanks even if you didnt buy any working ITB can rpoduce great results.
I've learn't, and I'm sure most do (especailly if you have releases) that it's possible to make superb music ITB if you wanted and especially if you've learned to create your sounds. Obviously mixing and the rest comes in along with what you said. I cant see why its so hard to believe. Its not easy but I can see its possible. |
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| Blake_Jarrell |
kismet, hes all ITB, get over it
as are:
Jerome Isma-Ae
Swedish House Mafia
Dirty South
etc
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