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eric prydz mastering techniques? (pg. 7)
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| djms |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
what does he mean when he says he leaves alot of space in his tracks ? |
headroom and less elements making it cleaner with less sounds. SOme peeps say layer up stuff but thats crap. You can write one bassline with one synth unless of course you want different bass sounds. my best tune shave been the ones with 13 channels and not my usual 28 lol |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by vikernes
I think I heard this piano melody in some old 70's track on the radio, but I can't be sure. Maybe it was Call on me.
Anyway, some people say the melody is from this track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tgWS9c4kI8
The bass plays the same notes in the chorus... |
well those people are retarded. There is a brief section where the chords are similar but I can list 300 examples of songs that use those chords in a closer manner than the one you listed. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
those chords make up about 80% of trance music. And there is no melody. Unless he personally admitted that he took the exact chords and voice leading from a song, i really don't think you can make any sort of argument that he did. |
Its one of those things that unless he says we'll go round in circles. Indeed the chords are used in all music (cant invent new chords) but the actual pattern used to create that hook if true was, either replicated it or gave him the idea for the track, that my point. My friend who told me heard it from 360 managaement group. I'm not taking anything away from it though I love the tune whether its original or not.
Its like Zombie Nation – Kernkraft 400 some people may think that was original which is infact taken from something no one will even know or heard of. Its only until someone tells you otherwise how would you know. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Of course, no denying he has engineering skills, but his sound is not from pure engineering skills is the story here, if it was we'd hear a lot more of it, since there are tons of Producers with great engineering skills, but alas they dont have the proper equipment to realise the top shelf sound we hear in Prdyz's productions. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
He uses a Mac and Logic for Arrangement/Composition and perhaps the bulk of mixing (which we knew.) That said, those pictures are vague to reason or safely speculate that everything is done ITB, without any outboard processing, mixer, or any synths.
The whole point is, and I dont benefit from more contenders (neither does Prydz obviously), a great sound is a result of mixing skills coupled with good equipment. For the average producer, it will be a heavy uphill battle without having good equipment to produce on or an engineer that does things for you. So either you can think that an entirely ITB mix will regularly get you the sound that can be played by countless DJs on countless systems, or you accept the reality that a good mix requires proper equipment alongside developed sound engineering skills. |
Dude you just outdo yourself on the daily. When will you learn that you just aren't as talented as some people and learn to accept that? You were def an only child weren't you? I'm sure your parents had you up on that pedestal for quite some time. Problem is; that's not how life works.
He is talented and has experienced success because he sticks to the roots of his craft. He makes dance music. He makes his music with the club and its systems in mind. Very few artists today can say they do that.
If you stopped rationalizing people's success you'd actually be on your way to success of your own. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
what does he mean when he says he leaves alot of space in his tracks ? |
It means a lot of different things but in HIS music what it means is that he has substantially fewer elements than a standard edm production. While most others would push the few sounds they do have to the max and use all of their available head room; he likes to keep as much of the leftover headroom as possible. This obviously preserves maximum amounts of dynamics and reverbs/delays/efx sound much better with copious amounts of headroom. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
It means a lot of different things but in HIS music what it means is that he has substantially fewer elements than a standard edm production. While most others would push the few sounds they do have to the max and use all of their available head room; he likes to keep as much of the leftover headroom as possible. This obviously preserves maximum amounts of dynamics and reverbs/delays/efx sound much better with copious amounts of headroom. |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
He makes dance music. He makes his music with the club and its systems in mind. Very few artists today can say they do that.
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Agreed. Here is a snippet from the paragragh from the interview with prydz I posted on page 5 of this thread- straight from the horse's mouth. He talks about the separation (space) in his tracks and making tracks for clubs. Although not sure how true very few artists today dont make music for club with its systems in mind. I'd imagine when people make club music they know it needs to kick ass in a club most of all.
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I think the strength in my productions is kind of the separation, and how all of the sounds are mixed together, and that's something that I kind of put a lot of effort into, because I always wanted my music to sound you know, really really good in a club. If you have a really good idea for a track, but it doesn't come across well on a big system, it sort of gets a lost in a way. So I would say 50% of a track is the actual mix of it. You have to make sure that you can hear all of the different channels clearly. I always try to make my tracks sound like this big powerful pack of muscle sort of thing you know, and it's kind of hard to explain how I do it because I use my ears, and I know how I want it to sound. Over the years I sort of learned how to get it to sound like that.
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
Dude you just outdo yourself on the daily. When will you learn that you just aren't as talented as some people and learn to accept that? You were def an only child weren't you? I'm sure your parents had you up on that pedestal for quite some time. Problem is; that's not how life works.
He is talented and has experienced success because he sticks to the roots of his craft. He makes dance music. He makes his music with the club and its systems in mind. Very few artists today can say they do that.
If you stopped rationalizing people's success you'd actually be on your way to success of your own. |
I think I complimented Eric Prydz throughout this thread more than most people have on this site the past year (no surprise that you missed it.) And I did couple that objectivity of Prydz being average musically (folks would argue against me if I said he is above average) with respecting his engineering skills and the fact that he smartly invested in simplicity, because that is what the masses easily consume most. So whats your problem with my objectivity + giving him kudos where he actually deserves it?
And what is wrong with rationalizing the success of people or things, its part of what i'll be doing for a living, perhaps helping out of touch people like you find the right way after rationalizing why things and people succede.
I'd be on my way to success if I was'nt rationalizing peoples success? That makes no sense, and a market analyst or business analyst would ask you to put the pipe down. That said, I'm doin fine and am on my way to success...have a little snowball building in early stages, but how about you? Where do you see yourself in 3-5 years, and what are you doing to get there? In 3-5 years I see myself with a few decent EPs out and Remixes under my belt, maybe even an album. Perhaps, travelling and seeing some beautiful places and people, maybe crossing paths with Eric Prydz at some point? Will you still be moonlighting/trolling the streets of TA? |
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| Kismet7 |
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I think the strength in my productions is kind of the separation, and how all of the sounds are mixed together, and that's something that I kind of put a lot of effort into, because I always wanted my music to sound you know, really really good in a club. If you have a really good idea for a track, but it doesn't come across well on a big system, it sort of gets a lost in a way. So I would say 50% of a track is the actual mix of it. You have to make sure that you can hear all of the different channels clearly. I always try to make my tracks sound like this big powerful pack of muscle sort of thing you know, and it's kind of hard to explain how I do it because I use my ears, and I know how I want it to sound. Over the years I sort of learned how to get it to sound like that.-Eric Prydz |
He is basically saying what i've been saying, as far as what leads to the success of his music ;)
Though i'd put it a bit higher than 50%, for dancefloors the mix is quite more valuable these days, especially for big room music. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
-Eric Prydz
He is basically saying what i've been saying ;)
Though i'd put it a bit higher than 50%. |
Indeed. There comes a stage when learning to produce you realise that a large percentage is about the mixing. Usually in the later stages I would assume for most. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by music2dance2
Indeed. There comes a stage when learning to produce you realise that a large percentage is about the mixing. Usually in the later stages I would assume for most. |
Tough times when you thought music is about how good the track sounds musically, the composition, arragement, etc. Eventually you will realise that the musicality is just half or sadly less than half of what makes a track enjoyable to people, and successful on dancefloors. Dont get me wrong though, I do not make that the sacrifice of sound quality over musical content, I try my best to find a middle ground in my music, so that even in 20 years when the sound quality tapers off, the musical content will still retain its value and quality. I try to share the reality and what might make successful dancefloor music, and a huge part is the mix. Like Prydz said, you can make something amazing musically, but no one will play it if it dont sound good, but you could make a simple Trance, Tech House or Minimal track, that sounds really good, and people will play it non stop. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Tough times when you thought music is about how good the track sounds musically, the composition, arragement, etc. Eventually you will realise that the musicality is just half or sadly less than half of what makes a track enjoyable to people, and successful on dancefloors. Dont get me wrong though, I do not make that the sacrifice of sound quality over musical content, I try my best to find a middle ground in my music, so that even in 20 years when the sound quality tapers off, the musical content will still retain its value and quality. I try to share the reality and what might make successful dancefloor music, and a huge part is the mix. Like Prydz said, you can make something amazing musically, but no one will play it if it dont sound good, but you could make a simple Trance, Tech House or Minimal track, that sounds really good, and people will play it non stop. |
Yeah. Make good music, get the mix right. How ever long that takes is up to the individual. But it needs to be both, as there are tracks that are mixed to perfection but are rubbish lol and vice versa. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
I think I complimented Eric Prydz throughout this thread more than most people have on this site the past year (no surprise that you missed it.) And I did couple that objectivity of Prydz being average musically (folks would argue against me if I said he is above average) with respecting his engineering skills and the fact that he smartly invested in simplicity, because that is what the masses easily consume most. So whats your problem with my objectivity + giving him kudos where he actually deserves it?
And what is wrong with rationalizing the success of people or things, its part of what i'll be doing for a living, perhaps helping out of touch people like you find the right way after rationalizing why things and people succede.
I'd be on my way to success if I was'nt rationalizing peoples success? That makes no sense, and a market analyst or business analyst would ask you to put the pipe down. That said, I'm doin fine and am on my way to success...have a little snowball building in early stages, but how about you? Where do you see yourself in 3-5 years, and what are you doing to get there? In 3-5 years I see myself with a few decent EPs out and Remixes under my belt, maybe even an album. Perhaps, travelling and seeing some beautiful places and people, maybe crossing paths with Eric Prydz at some point? Will you still be moonlighting/trolling the streets of TA? |
I'm not stupid; I see right through your statements. You are so ing arrogant. You were complimenting him but only doing so to rationalize his success by his "average musicality". I assure you 99.99999999% of edm producers are average musically. It's like you get off on the fact that you think nobody is any good and that big Kismet is going to save the world of electronic music (despite your whopping 1 release). You also talk like you're Leon Bolier with 300 amazing productions to your name; when you've yet to do !
And you picked the wrong person to do the 3-5 years thing. I have one album finishing up and in circulation by the end of this year and then an original artist album that will be done by next year. What am I doing to get there? I'd say putting in 20 hour days 6/7 days of the week on top of my regular job is doing quite a bit. This is my whole life and exactly why your drivel offends me so much. Certainly you picked the wrong guy to compare to in a rant.
I'll tell you what; since you're so up your own ass; why don't we both take the same track and remix it and end this game once and for all. We can leave it open to voting on TA and we can make each track anonymous so that name branding doesn't change voting outcomes. Quite simply i'm telling you to put up or shut up. You have put down hoards of artists and methods and it's time to show you whats up.
If you're interested let me know and i'll make the thread. If not then gtfo. |
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