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Eric Prydz Mixing and Mastering (pg. 2)
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| RichieV |
i find his mixes rather poor and tracks rather boring.
his tracks are what i don't like about dance. Personal taste. I can see why people like him but he does absolutely nothing for me. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
i find his mixes rather poor and tracks rather boring. |
How are his mixes "poor?" Personally, I think his mixes are pretty much perfect if you want to compete in the current "maximize everything" style of club tracks, because they can get very loud without seeming totally squashed.
But I have to say I find his tracks boring, too, in terms of melody and development of ideas. They are just tracks for the moment, catchy but not something you come back to and feel inspired by years later. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by dan123
Here's what i think, and please correct me if i'm wrong. and yes some of these are very obvious and even beginners would know and use these techniques.
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OK, well you asked, so I'll play along and I'll correct you - ALL, not just some, of those techniques are just the obvious fundamentals that any beginner should know. I had never even heard of him until the countless "How do I get in Eric Prydz' pants?" threads came along, but you can count me as one of the people who just doesn't understand the hype over his mixes - they're nothing spectacular and his songs are about as cheesy and lame as they come IMO - and that's coming from a guy whose music as often characterized as being cheesy. ;)
The techniques that I've noticed from the handful of songs that I could stomach are that he knows how to use a compressor, a limiter, an EQ, a delay, a reverb, and his pan and level controls. He uses these techniques to sound about as good as anyone else with quality releases, but that doesn't make up for the cheese that produces.
Sorry, but that's my opinion and you did ask for it. |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
How are his mixes "poor?" Personally, I think his mixes are pretty much perfect if you want to compete in the current "maximize everything" style of club tracks, because they can get very loud without seeming totally squashed.
But I have to say I find his tracks boring, too, in terms of melody and development of ideas. They are just tracks for the moment, catchy but not something you come back to and feel inspired by years later. |
well poor is an exaggeration. I just find that his mixing style lacks byte. It is the same reason I hate pop. |
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| dan123 |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
OK, well you asked, so I'll play along and I'll correct you - ALL, not just some, of those techniques are just the obvious fundamentals that any beginner should know. I had never even heard of him until the countless "How do I get in Eric Prydz' pants?" threads came along, but you can count me as one of the people who just doesn't understand the hype over his mixes - they're nothing spectacular and his songs are about as cheesy and lame as they come IMO - and that's coming from a guy whose music as often characterized as being cheesy. ;)
The techniques that I've noticed from the handful of songs that I could stomach are that he knows how to use a compressor, a limiter, an EQ, a delay, a reverb, and his pan and level controls. He uses these techniques to sound about as good as anyone else with quality releases, but that doesn't make up for the cheese that produces.
Sorry, but that's my opinion and you did ask for it. |
Its not about whether his songs are cheesy, whether you like him or not...i dont care about other peoples musical taste.
He is just an example of someone who appears to be ITB and doing a good job. That means that the techniques he is using can be replicated by anyone at home. How is he using compression, limiting etc?
I dont want to sound like or be the next eric prydz but i would like my tracks to sound as big and powerful as his. |
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| Evolve140 |
So, Eric Prydz Mixing and Mastering, or, Is Eric Prydz' Music Good?
I think the poster wanted to know more about the process involved in his mastering.
I don't know much about mastering.I know someone who does it very well and I enjoy the fact that if I have a track that needs mastering he is nice enough to do it for me with excellent turn around time. Anyway, I'm pretty sure Swedish Mafia have their own mastering schematic that they all share and have participated in developing. I've heard it described as kind of different approach and technique, but beyond that I'm not sure.
On the topic of liking or disliking his actual music, since this thread has unfortunately evolved into (again?), I'd just like to add one or 2 thoughts. If you don't like his music, fine. EDM is beautiful and diverse and there is much to choose from, and many possibilities in our own productions. Why take it beyond disliking it? It seems like some folks go a little too far. If you were out on the night, and you were clubbing with friends, would you just walk off the dance floor if one of his tunes came on? Probably not. You may not even recognize that it's him, if you actually are concerned about having a good time on the dance floor. You wouldn't tell a friend to change the track on the CD player in the car if a band you didn't like was playing, so why if he is a dance musician?
As for the poster, I might know someone who knows one of their mastering techniques as the SHM showed him how to do it. I'll poke around and get back to this thread. |
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| Beatflux |
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/elec...ic-prydz-3.html
| quote: | | Hey all..First post here so go easy! I have worked in dance music for over 15 years, and recently I have been in the studio with Axwell, Laidback Luke, Angello/Ingrosso, and quite a few other "name" dance producers from Europe and UK. They are all pretty much 100% ITB. Some use Logic 5, 6, or 7, some use Reason (yes reason!), some use Fruity Loops (like Deadmau5), and some use Cubase. The only hardware is things like mic pres or channel strips (Axwell has a couple of AMEK CIBs) for recording vocals and instruments, monitor speakers, mics, and obvious stuff like that. No classic hardware compressors or EQ's, or any other hardware digital FX. I should add here that most have decent plugs like UAD, WAVES or URS, but that's about it. No desk, often no studio, and often no decent monitoring. So how do these guys get great results on computers with plugs, when many guys with expensive studios fail? Simple.. It's what they don't know that counts. Angello, for example uses 5-7 plugs across his master buss, which includes a couple of EQ's, and several Comp/limiters. He doesn't do this at the end of a project, he does it at the START! "Why do you do that" he was once asked. "Because it sounds good, and when you finish a track.. It's DONE! No mastering required.." They don't follow a set of rules as most pro engineers and producers do, they just do what's needed to get the job done quickly. These producers know what parts they want for a record, and know how to get them quick. Most have a good supply of sounds, favourite plug in synths, and plenty of favourite channel strip plugin presets. That way they can build a track quickly, and as such they don't get bored with a tune. Take Angello and Laidback Lukes track "Be", which was one of the biggest crossover tracks in clubs last year. They did it (start to finish) in 4 hours! Trav. |
| quote: | | It's all about getting fast results. These guys will get the major parts of a record done in an hour or 2. The basic hooks, drums, bass, and stuff like that. Then they'll arrange and during that process they'll add some FX and "icing". If you work fast, you don't lose the vibe on a tune, so you're still "feeling" the track the whole time. I think that's important. I know I've been guilty of taking too long to make a tune in the past. You start to lose your focus after a while, then all of a sudden that hot bassline you made doesn't sound so good anymore, and you start 2nd guessing yourself. Pretty soon you hate the tune and want to start on something new! Trav. P.S. Something else for you to consider. Although most of the hot shot producers have access to great plugs (UAD, Waves, Etc..), you'd be surprised how often they use the standard built in plugs. (Like the factory ones from Logic et al..) |
My God this if ing true for myself. I get so sick of my songs after a while.
| quote: | | I know it's hard for some of the studio purists around here to understand. Now you can argue with it, get angry about it, or simply disagree with it, but the truth is this.. Almost everything these guys do is 100% ITB. Often done on the road with headphones and a laptop only. I'm not here to argue which is a sonically better method, or why you should go one way or the other. I'm just here to tell you what I know about their methods in the hope someone will benefit from that knowledge. I've been to Axwells studio in Stockholm. Do you know how disgusted I was when I saw he was all ITB!?! I was like "why do I have a big dollar console and outboard gear...?" It was upsetting let me tell you. Trav. |
I also thought to myself that some people would rather blame it on a lack of equipment, than a lack of know how.
Dear god, the topic really turns into a back forth feces throwing session, just like a forum I know... |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by dan123
Its not about whether his songs are cheesy, whether you like him or not...i dont care about other peoples musical taste.
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Fair enough, but at the very least, it should put my comments in perspective for you. And, my opinion on his music is relevant from the standpoint that it would not cause me to: 1) think "wow, the song sucks, but the mix is so great that I'm going to keep listening, or 2) make me want to listen to an entire album to see if I can hear something unique in his mixes that makes him stand above the rest. So, with that perspective in mind, combined with the fact that the majority of respondents to your thread thus far have had little good to say about Prdyz' songs or mixes, you might get a better response if you posted some specific examples (with links) of how and why you think his mixes stand out amongst the crowd and use that as a basis for discussion of how he achieved such a sound. |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjWoody
What's ITB/OTB? |
Inside the Box, outside the box.
The first meaning in your computer only. The latter implies the use of external gear. |
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| Kevy Kev |
| His mixes are on the larger systems |
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| LoveHate |
| if anything there should be a thread made about radioslaves mastering.. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by dan123
Generally only uses a few percussion type instruments. This helps create space in the track. |
Ok this is something I've been pondering as my natural inclanation is to keep the drum side very tight and clean, yet so often on feedback people say add more precussion, but to my mind that often then clutters the sound. |
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