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Eric Prydz Mixing and Mastering (pg. 3)
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| deadmau5 |
| "mastering" really takes less whack-expsensive / elaborate techmology than you think. The only no brainers are comps and limiters and maximixers. I rekon 80% of a mastering job plainly relies on levels / placement / phase and EQ. Phase is one i defo keep an eye on. its usually the mother of all ups when people just "run through a maximixer" i know you have a phase-scope. use it, you'd be insanely surprised. |
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| Richard Butler |
http://www.myspace.com/ericprydz
His new track WAVES sound full of energy, but to my ears this is due to using great energy laden sounds and builds as well as loudness. |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by deadmau5
"mastering" really takes less whack-expsensive / elaborate techmology than you think. The only no brainers are comps and limiters and maximixers. I rekon 80% of a mastering job plainly relies on levels / placement / phase and EQ. Phase is one i defo keep an eye on. its usually the mother of all ups when people just "run through a maximixer" i know you have a phase-scope. use it, you'd be insanely surprised. |
Are you mentioning phase with concern of elements canceling/disappearing in mono, or as affecting the overall "sound" in general? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by david.michael
Are you mentioning phase with concern of elements canceling/disappearing in mono, or as affecting the overall "sound" in general? |
When you mix two sounds, phase affects the amplitude of the resulting transient.
You can check this out in a wave editor: get two sounds that share some frequencies and both have a sharp transient. Set them both to -10 dbFs, then mix them together and check out the resulting amplitude. Then undo the mix and invert the phase of one of the sounds. Now mix them together again. The resulting amplitude will probably be different (maybe more, maybe less) than it was the first time around. |
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| deadmau5 |
well, yes. i mean by cancellation... of course, "phase issues" dont always result in 2 clashing signals simply cancelling themselves into complete silence... it can also be nearly inaudiable and more often than not "trick" the limiter / compressor PLUGINS into weird peak levels that trigger the comp and limit / compress stuff that shouldnt be. I hear it alot in demos... point is really, to just keep an eye on your phase.. obviously mostly in the low / low mid end.
and as a rule, yes. always a good idea to keep a mono monitor on the master just as a quick ref from time to time.
something i actually enjoy talking about... makes me wanna write up a biblical production tip thing. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by deadmau5
well, yes. i mean by cancellation... of course, "phase issues" dont always result in 2 clashing signals simply cancelling themselves into complete silence... it can also be nearly inaudiable and more often than not "trick" the limiter / compressor PLUGINS into weird peak levels that trigger the comp and limit / compress stuff that shouldnt be. I hear it alot in demos... point is really, to just keep an eye on your phase.. obviously mostly in the low / low mid end.
and as a rule, yes. always a good idea to keep a mono monitor on the master just as a quick ref from time to time.
something i actually enjoy talking about... makes me wanna write up a biblical production tip thing. |
I try to watch out for phase stuff by watching the master level - if it jumps up after adding another element into the track then i know something is phasing, how does a phase meter help here, any recommendations on one? |
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| deadmau5 |
| waves makes a somewhat useable one. |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
When you mix two sounds, phase affects the amplitude of the resulting transient.
You can check this out in a wave editor: get two sounds that share some frequencies and both have a sharp transient. Set them both to -10 dbFs, then mix them together and check out the resulting amplitude. Then undo the mix and invert the phase of one of the sounds. Now mix them together again. The resulting amplitude will probably be different (maybe more, maybe less) than it was the first time around. |
Makes sense, just wasn't sure if that's what he was referring to. I'm surprised that this is not something I've ever given a lot of thought. (I know phase cancellation is "bad", but I never thought much more about it beyond that.) Makes me want to experiment more with using phase as a tool to make space in the mix.
| quote: | Originally posted by deadmau5
well, yes. i mean by cancellation... of course, "phase issues" dont always result in 2 clashing signals simply cancelling themselves into complete silence... it can also be nearly inaudiable and more often than not "trick" the limiter / compressor PLUGINS into weird peak levels that trigger the comp and limit / compress stuff that shouldnt be. I hear it alot in demos... point is really, to just keep an eye on your phase.. obviously mostly in the low / low mid end.
and as a rule, yes. always a good idea to keep a mono monitor on the master just as a quick ref from time to time.
something i actually enjoy talking about... makes me wanna write up a biblical production tip thing. |
Thanks for the clarification. Phase is definitely something I need to start giving more than a passing glance to.
And that Producer's Bible thing would be great... Your mixes always sound very "big", so I'm sure it could contain a lot of useful information. |
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| tehlord |
An unexpected turn of events. A trollers dream turns into a somewhat useful thread.
DDMF do a decent and dirt cheap (or free) M/S phase meter plugin thingy called stereooerets. |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by sot
sneak peek in prydz studio -> http://www.twitvid.com/90F9F
proves you don't need thousands of dollars of gear, a solid pair of monitors, logic, decent audio interface and a few bass traps is all you need.
which i bet you all know already as this has been discussed to death. |
that will run in the thousands
sorry just being cheaky. |
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| sot |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
that will run in the thousands
sorry just being cheaky. |
true, i was a moron and didn't read the first page of the thread where that vid was already posted lol |
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| isrefel |
yeah eric is good because he has 10YEARS experience....thats how he has his sound. YOU WILL NEVER MAKE IT ...if you copy some one else... you have to make tune after tune after tune and gradually you will get proffessional...
There is no short cut... |
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