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Film Lounge Raided (pg. 5)
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| DaRoZa |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
My point is Barb that in our society, the situation isn't supposed to suck...
The cops aren't supposed to get out of line...
They are employed...BY ME... to keep everyone in line...
I don't pay the amount of taxes that I pay for civil servants to break my balls unless they have reason to believe that I...ME DIRECTLY... is doing something wrong... |
+1... all of these guys defending the police are lucky they never had to deal with "out of line" behaviour. disgusting serpico style stories go on all the time... guess that means it's always been this way but doesn't mean we should sit on our thumb and accept it.
and on a side note, although they find drugs without fail on these after hours raids, you'd think if they were really that dangerous places they'd report finding some guns as well. |
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| gummybear |
Why do people get so upset when like this happens...it comes with the territory..i've been in several after hours that were "raided" ....I was never searched but I'm sure some people were.
I've never considered it to be my God given right to party peacefully at an after hours where there is rampant drug use. Unfortunately, some of the more seedier people in society hang out at these places and where there is crime or the potential for it..there will be some sort of periodical law enforcement. Things will be back to normal at Film next weekend.. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaRoZa
+1... all of these guys defending the police are lucky they never had to deal with "out of line" behaviour. disgusting serpico style stories go on all the time... guess that means it's always been this way but doesn't mean we should sit on our thumb and accept it. |
Attacking the police for every little misstep, real or imagined, only creates a boy-who-cried-wolf scenario, and makes it harder to draw attention to serious violations of rights or protocol.
We should be more concerned about RCMP officers who tase senior citizens to death and get off with a slap on the wrist (usually a short suspension with pay!). And with shadowy pseudo-governmental initiatives to circumvent constitutional protections as a matter of course, like racing laws (finally thrown out of court after how many years and how many suspensions?), or below-legal-BAC-limit arrests and suspensions.
The point is, it's precisely this " the police" attitude that so often enables these patterns to continue; against a backdrop of constant outrage over seemingly trivial events, it's easy to label the more serious charges as mere -disturbing. |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Attacking the police for every little misstep, real or imagined, only creates a boy-who-cried-wolf scenario, and makes it harder to draw attention to serious violations of rights or protocol.
We should be more concerned about RCMP officers who tase senior citizens to death and get off with a slap on the wrist (usually a short suspension with pay!). And with shadowy pseudo-governmental initiatives to circumvent constitutional protections as a matter of course, like racing laws (finally thrown out of court after how many years and how many suspensions?), or below-legal-BAC-limit arrests and suspensions.
The point is, it's precisely this " the police" attitude that so often enables these patterns to continue; against a backdrop of constant outrage over seemingly trivial events, it's easy to label the more serious charges as mere -disturbing. |
wow, i actually agreed with every word...i need to rethink my life now....:D |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
wow, i actually agreed with every word...i need to rethink my life now....:D |
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christmas does bring miracles!;) |
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| MarkT |
you guys *might* want to actually learn the law and examine case history before flipping out.
you don't know if there was a warrant or not, what type of search was conducted (or even if everyone was searched), etc.
freedom from unreasonable search and seizure is not a limitless right (nothing contained in the Charter is limitless) and the expectation of privacy has contextual limits too.
being at home is different than being at school/work, at a border crossing, being incarcerated, etc. and if you don't think being in an establishment with a known history of violence, along with quite a few drug and weapons infractions, could be deemed a reasonable limit to those rights and expectations under the law, you're nuts... |
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| ÖZmözis |
RCMP/OPP officers can enter any nightclub premises without a warrant. They don't need a reason, but they must show identification (badge). Once inside, if they see anyone doing any illegal activity, not only will that person be subjected to a search, but can also get charged. The venue will also be charged. Toronto Police Officers on the other hand, need the permission of the Manager or the Owner of the nightclub in order to enter the premises.
Mark sum'd it up in his last sentence. |
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| Iwasthere |
A drug bust at a Chinatown after-hours club where two shootings have occurred during recent years left 15 people in police bracelets yesterday.
Vice cops busted through the doors of Film Lounge, on Dundas St. W., west of Beverley St., at 2:30 a.m., 10 months after starting an undercover investigation into the alleged "drug den," said Det. Frank Giancola, of the Toronto Police.
"We've had many complaints where people were walking out of there in the early morning hours in a state of trance," Giancola said.
The club operates under a business licence, but no liquor licence. When it came to drinks, "all they were selling was water," Giancola said.
As for the rest of the menu, Giancola alleged people could buy ketamine, cocaine and methamphetamine.
"Drugs were strewn across the floor," he said of the moments after police entered with a search warrant. "Everybody tossed. Most of them did. We got 15 that didn't."
Though the club's website says it is open until 6 a.m., Giancola said his team decided to bust them early because they wanted to target staff. There were about 82 people in the club, which has a capacity for about 150.
The club has made it onto police radar in the past.
Between April 2004 and April 2005, two bouncers were injured in shootings outside the club. A drug investigation that culminated in April 2004 alleged Ecstasy pills were being sold there.
Customers and staff were charged yesterday with a range of offences, mostly related to drug trafficking.
Six people were held for bail hearings, while nine, including the owner, were released with future court dates.
Among those held in custody was a Malaysian man who had already been ordered to go home after immigration authorities found he was here illegally, Giancola said.
Now he's on the road to deportation.
Officers were still sorting through the seized drugs, but Giancola estimated the haul to be worth as much as $20,000.
"You couldn't walk on the floor without stepping on a vile of GHB," he said.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/toro...223896-sun.html |
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| ÖZmözis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Iwasthere
"We've had many complaints where people were walking out of there in the early morning hours in a state of trance," Giancola said.
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NO WAY! :eyes: |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ÖZmözis
RCMP/OPP can enter any club without a warrant, all they have to do is flash their badge. Once inside, if they suspect, or see anyone doing any illegal activity, not only will that person get charged but so will the venue. The person will also get searched. Toronto Police on the other hand need the permission of the Manager or the Owner of the club in order to enter the premises. |
And thats fine.. there is nothing wrong with that. Its these over the top commando style raids that piss me off. Everyone gets shaken down to flush out the bad guys. I have a problem with this. As i said, send in the narcs and make your arrests. Sure its more work but THATS YOUR JOB.
Having the cops storm a public place, force everyone on the ground and then search everyone because they suspect that some people may have drugs is not the kind of society we should aspire to nor accept.
Ill never forget what happened at Republik which was such a royal up on the part of the cops and the city that it was barely even reported. (which also raises my eyebrows i might add) |
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| Iwasthere |
| "Everybody tossed. Most of them did. We got 15 that didn't." |
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| chinamon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Iwasthere
Among those held in custody was a Malaysian man who had already been ordered to go home after immigration authorities found he was here illegally, Giancola said.
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i hope thats not one of the people that im thinking of.... |
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