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Film Lounge Raided (pg. 7)
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| ÖZmözis |
| quote: | Originally posted by cammaxwell
Police actually do have the right to search your car for certian driving related offences, especially drinking. But that's the car, not you personally.
Although they'll ask you......and most people say yes.... |
They would have to first prove I was drinking. They can give me a breathalyzer test outside my car with my doors locked.
Most of the time, when the person is outside of his/her car speaking to one cop, the other cop will start searching the car behind the person, which is bull. |
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by cammaxwell
I know lots of people who love Film and didn't go there to get high, but went beca[use] of the music. As with most clubs in our scene, the Djs/music IS the draw for the crowd...not the drugs. |
+1.
| quote: | Originally posted by ÖZmözis
Most of the time, when the person is outside of his/her car speaking to one cop, the other cop will start searching the car behind the person. |
This is exactly why if one ever gets into an unwanted situation with the police while driving one should plan to turn off the car, lock the doors, and put the keys in one's pocket if asked to step out of the vehicle. And, of course, verbally refuse (in a respectful way) to give consent to have the vehicle searched. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
I'm no lawyer, or an expert in law in any sense, but my understanding of law is that it is based upon common sense, and being 'reasonable'
You're a cop and you make a drug bust at a club. You make several other busts at clubs. Would it be reasonable to believe that clubs have higher chance of being a place where drugs are found? And that you allocate resources accordingly to clubs because that's more likely place? And that people who frequent these clubs voluntarily have higher chance of associating with drug deals and whatnot?
You put yourself under suspicion moment you choose to associate yourself with certain groups, no matter how innocent or guilty you are.
Unless you're a complete numpty potatohead, you know there are drugs at clubs. So by agreeing to go to clubs, you put yourself voluntarily under suspicions. |
reasonable means they smell booze on your breathe, or there is a smell of weed coming from your car, or the cops caught you in a lie. NOT being in a certain public place. So if im driving through a shady neighbourhood at 5 am do the police have reasonable ground to pull me over and search my car? I dont think so!!! |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
reasonable means they smell booze on your breathe, or there is a smell of weed coming from your car, or the cops caught you in a lie. NOT being in a certain public place. So if im driving through a shady neighbourhood at 5 am do the police have reasonable ground to pull me over and search my car? I dont think so!!! |
that depends whether there has been reports of suspicious people driving around that shady people at 5am... |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
that depends whether there has been reports of suspicious people driving around that shady people at 5am... |
if there was a suspect in a crime matching my description driving a car similar to mine then thats reasonable. Stopping any random car isnt. |
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| cammaxwell |
| quote: | Originally posted by ÖZmözis
They would have to first prove I was drinking. They can give me a breathalyzer test outside my car with my doors locked.
Most of the time, when the person is outside of his/her car speaking to one cop, the other cop will start searching the car behind the person, which is bull. |
Well yes, if it was a ride program. But if they smelled booze or your driving was eratic, they could search your car for alcohol. And if they found anything else during that search, then your screwed. Then they would have casue to search you persoanlly. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by cammaxwell
Well yes, if it was a ride program. But if they smelled booze or your driving was eratic, they could search your car for alcohol. And if they found anything else during that search, then your screwed. Then they would have casue to search you persoanlly. |
so based on this, whats the premise of searching law abiding people at a club whos only known crime is dancing? Perhaps they were dancing erratically? LOL |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
if there was a suspect in a crime matching my description driving a car similar to mine then thats reasonable. Stopping any random car isnt. |
it's not random when you meet other criterias of your scenario. you're in a shady neighbourhood. it is 5am. you're driving a car.
does you missing one of the criterias exactly mean the cop should exclude you from reasonable grounds for suspicion? although this probably depends on how big the criteria factors in |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
it's not random when you meet other criterias of your scenario. you're in a shady neighbourhood. it is 5am. you're driving a car.
does you missing one of the criterias exactly mean the cop should exclude you from reasonable grounds for suspicion? although this probably depends on how big the criteria factors in |
are you serious? where did you go to school? Cuba?
wow....... just wow.... |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
are you serious? where did you go to school? Cuba?
wow....... just wow.... |
nice rebuttal |
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| Dr. Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
are you serious? where did you go to school? Cuba?
wow....... just wow.... |
lol, busting a bunch of crack heads at a shady club is not totalitarian. You need to relax; you sound like me when I was 17 and took my first phil class. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
nice rebuttal |
ive already rebutted this type of comment repeatedly in this thread.
I just cant believe that anyone would accept this. |
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