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RA's top 50 tracks, top 20 albums of 2009 (pg. 5)
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Craig Alexander's use of those vocals is really nice, because he does nothing to them, but to me the fact that Seth's track is so ridiculously simple is the best part. It doesn't need anything else. Warm pads at the finish line, thats it. And the rest of it makes you listen to the words and take them in.
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I'm pretty sure angelou's command of the english language and vocalization takes care of that itself.
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Personally I think it's kind of a dick thing to insinuate that all these artists aren't making music from the heart. Just because they don't push boundaries as far as others doesn't mean they aren't putting passion into it.
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That's not what I said.
What I said was it doesnt touch MY heart, and that the vibe is one of dispassion (eg too cool for school), not that the artists themselves are dispassionate.
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
The most important thing with dance music for me right now, is that it sounds warm, and inviting. That it makes me and other people feel good. I think there is a compromise to be had between playing music that is seriously cutting edge and covering new ground and things that are familiar and easily accessible.
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You talk about dance music like it's a ing holiday inn. No thanks.
In the end I'm entitled to my opinion and personal taste, and in this case I prefer a Miles Davis to a Kenny G. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
I'm pretty sure angelou's command of the english language and vocalization takes care of that itself.
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Takes care of what?
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That's not what I said.
What I said was it doesnt touch MY heart, and that the vibe is one of dispassion (eg too cool for school), not that the artists themselves are dispassionate.
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Yeah I understand that, but trying to diminish the genuineness of other people's enjoyment is a slippery slope. Because I like some of that music and do K and might have occasionally sat in a leather chair at a venue I am not in it for the right reasons and dispassionate?
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You talk about dance music like it's a ing holiday inn. No thanks. |
If thats what you want to infer from what I said, thats up to you.
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In the end I'm entitled to my opinion and personal taste, and in this case I prefer a Miles Davis to a Kenny G. |
Absolutely you are, and I always have much respect for you and your opinion because I think you are far more knowledgeable than many people here including myself when it comes to the history and origins of this music and what has and hasn't been done. I've also always thought you have very good taste. I just think that fundamentally, making a blanket statement that this music is just about a ty scene and drugs is unfair. |
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| Clovis |
| In the end Adam I mostly agree with you as there are very few of those songs that I would consider as the best 50 of 2009 in dance music...but I just don't think some of them are that poor... |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Yeah I understand that, but trying to diminish the genuineness of other people's enjoyment is a slippery slope. Because I like some of that music and do K and might have occasionally sat in a leather chair at a venue I am not in it for the right reasons and dispassionate? |
If you were secure about your passion I doubt you'd be talking about yourself so much regarding someone else's opinion of a list of music. He isn't talking about you or your enjoyment of music. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Takes care of what? |
"And the rest of it makes you listen to the words and take them in."
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Yeah I understand that, but trying to diminish the genuineness of other people's enjoyment is a slippery slope. Because I like some of that music and do K and might have occasionally sat in a leather chair at a venue I am not in it for the right reasons and dispassionate?
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If you compare that with dancing like a maniac the entire night in the basement of an abandoned building and putting yourself at risk of being busted by the cops, you'd probably be dispassionate. But thats an extremely idealistic example. I obviously don't do stuff like this all the time either. What I am saying is that this music I am railing against is 'cushy', even 'bourgeois', and I think that it comes across in the music and results in ever more predictable tracks that are only appropriate as background muzak for hip clubs. I prefer music that is up-front, radical, visceral, gut-wrenching, etc. I don't like dance music that you can dance to, but dance music that you cannot help dancing to.
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
If thats what you want to infer from what I said, thats up to you.
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"warm" "inviting" "makes me and other people feel good" "familiar and easily accessible"
just sayin'
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Absolutely you are, and I always have much respect for you and your opinion because I think you are far more knowledgeable than many people here including myself when it comes to the history and origins of this music and what has and hasn't been done. I've also always thought you have very good taste. I just think that fundamentally, making a blanket statement that this music is just about a ty scene and drugs is unfair. |
Look man, it's not like I haven't partook in this scene or its party favors, but after a certain time I stopped and just said, what the am I doing and why am I forcing myself to go out and dance to music that doesnt move me? What is at all beautiful about it that gives me an excuse to stay up all night and come in to work late?
I've got plenty of good friends that play this kind of music, even at the same parties that I play. Sometimes I even tag along with them. I even have played some of this stuff (and I cant stand to listen to old sets that have it!) I'm really not slagging this stuff without having pretty close experience of it.
and in the end this whole discussion of mine is more about that many these tracks that are called 'top 50' are more like filler or standard club joint.
I guess I to tone this assault down a bit I will say that I dont think that it is bad music, just that it bores me and I hear only the conventions and not the music when i listen. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by bas
It's kind of a "remake", Mike Dunn did a Freaky MF before that and the actual vocal has been sampled time and again.
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i don't think kdj's is related to dunn's though
the vox in the moodymann track are his own, right? |
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| bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
i don't think kdj's is related to dunn's though
the vox in the moodymann track are his own, right? |
Dunno, always thought they were the same. Dunn's is exceptionally dirty though...LICK YO ASS AND SPIT IN YO MOUF! |
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| djhaziel |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
i don't think kdj's is related to dunn's though
the vox in the moodymann track are his own, right? |
yeah they are different vocals for sure , just had a chance to listen to the Mike dunn one on jamie jones + trus me latest set
I like the mike dunn one better
" TAKE SOME MOTHUIN CHOCOLATE AND SPREAD IT ALL OVER HIS DICK ...." :gsmile: |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by djhaziel
I like the mike dunn one better
" TAKE SOME MOTHUIN CHOCOLATE AND SPREAD IT ALL OVER HIS DICK ...." :gsmile: |
I used to play mike dunn's almost every weekend for a couple of months, lol, it was kind of obnoxious.
I know it resulted in several unwanted pregancies |
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| djhaziel |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
I used to play mike dunn's almost every weekend for a couple of months, lol, it was kind of obnoxious.
I know it resulted in several unwanted pregancies |
:wtf:
i just cannot picture , with what type of crowd can that be pulled off with :p |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by djhaziel
:wtf:
i just cannot picture , with what type of crowd can that be pulled off with :p |
pretty much any crowd that has gone through puberty |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
If you compare that with dancing like a maniac the entire night in the basement of an abandoned building and putting yourself at risk of being busted by the cops, you'd probably be dispassionate. But thats an extremely idealistic example. I obviously don't do stuff like this all the time either. What I am saying is that this music I am railing against is 'cushy', even 'bourgeois', and I think that it comes across in the music and results in ever more predictable tracks that are only appropriate as background muzak for hip clubs. I prefer music that is up-front, radical, visceral, gut-wrenching, etc. I don't like dance music that you can dance to, but dance music that you cannot help dancing to. |
I fully understand your point dude, and much of this music frankly is boring to me as well if it is not played a certain way and without the balance of greater pieces. But I don't think these things are black and white or exclusive. I guess I am at a point where I can still enjoy both, a great warehouse experience (like the brilliant Harvey underground I attended over the weekend here) and a less intense more cushy club experience where maybe the music isn't the main focus but I still like it to be good and set a nice vibe while I enjoy the company of friends.
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Look man, it's not like I haven't partook in this scene or its party favors, but after a certain time I stopped and just said, what the am I doing and why am I forcing myself to go out and dance to music that doesnt move me? What is at all beautiful about it that gives me an excuse to stay up all night and come in to work late? |
There might be a time when that happens to me too, but it has not yet, and if I didn't still enjoy going out and hearing tracks like The Mole's 'For The Lost' or some of those MCDE cuts I would stop subjecting myself to the routine. But I still do have fun, I still dance, and I still enjoy it with a lot of other people, and it's not just about drugs or being cool or anything like that, it's just about social enjoyment.
As a DJ and a person I still enjoy a lot of music that is low key and might not grab you by the balls but is interesting and thoughtful, at least to me. There are still songs that may be comprised of almost everything I already know but that still sound really good to me. That may be one of the main differences between us, though my tastes are always changing and I'm sure they will evolve away from certain things just as yours have.
Didn't mean to come across with anything other than respect for your opinion in any case. |
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