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| Frost-RAVEN |
I first noticed these type of tracks when I went to a party in SF called etd.love... infact I found a video of it.
Bulldozer etd.LOVE
It really makes sense in the club atmosphere to do this. It's kind of shocking, but the bass drop that hits you is so hard you can kinda say the melodic hook and groove to the beat. Those spares beats sound really good on large systems.
Assuming I'm understanding the type of tracks you're talking about. |
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| sako487 |
| I think its cause it sounds great on the dancefloor. Having some super uplifting buildup and then keeping those elemnts isnt as good as just the bass/kick/some other stuff. |
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| RichieV |
| seems more like a cop out for bad djs that aren' able to program their sets. A track with an actual hook placed at the right time will do alot more damage than the generic music in the break then the same generic beat you had before. |
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| coroknight |
This pisses me right off. Unfortunately alot of house tracks do this nowadays, specifically tech house.
Here is an example I use whenever i try to explain this problem to someone. Start listening around 1:30 during the breakdown. The breakdown ends slightly after 2:00.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_I0Whab1q0
The ed up thing is that big names play stuff like this. There are videos of digweed playing this track. I can't even begin to understand the thought process behind it. |
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| rulzz |
| listen to other music /end thread |
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| maclean |
As both a person the creates music and listens to it both in clubs and at home I can say I dont like this 'style' at all.
It can be hard to keep the power of a beat aswell as the main melodic line playing at the same time it can also be difficult to make them 'kick in' hard, much easier to just cut the melody and play the original intro beat again, so I personally think its lazy producing. Just my opinion, so dont bite my head off. |
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| G-Con |
Richiev, i know exactly what you're talking about and I agree 100%.
Anthonyross, as someone who goes clubbing and has done for years, I think that your assesment that "it works in the clubs" is bull.
When I first heard tracks do this 5-6? years ago, it caught me by surprise, sounded refreshing and I liked it.
But years on, and now so many tracks do it, its predictable and in many cases decreases the energy level. When different elements build up during a breakdown, the peak of that energy build is the kick and bass dropping back in WITH the main elements from the breakdown.
When tracks, as many do now, drop back in with just the kick, bass, minimum percussion, maybe the odd stab combo, the energy level is brought DOWN from the climax of the break.
This is the case whether played in the club or not. If one or two tunes do it, thats fine, it keeps the crowd guessing, almost teasing them, but when most do it, it's predictable, boring, but most of all, it's pointless. |
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| Ciaran Fox |
| Any examples cause I dont quite grasp what you are saying, or just I cant think of any tracks that do that? |
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| coroknight |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ciaran Fox
Any examples cause I dont quite grasp what you are saying, or just I cant think of any tracks that do that? |
Theirs an example in my post above... |
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| Ciaran Fox |
| I thought he meant trance music... house is completely different |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by G-Con
Richiev, i know exactly what you're talking about and I agree 100%.
Anthonyross, as someone who goes clubbing and has done for years, I think that your assesment that "it works in the clubs" is bull.
When I first heard tracks do this 5-6? years ago, it caught me by surprise, sounded refreshing and I liked it.
But years on, and now so many tracks do it, its predictable and in many cases decreases the energy level. When different elements build up during a breakdown, the peak of that energy build is the kick and bass dropping back in WITH the main elements from the breakdown.
When tracks, as many do now, drop back in with just the kick, bass, minimum percussion, maybe the odd stab combo, the energy level is brought DOWN from the climax of the break.
This is the case whether played in the club or not. If one or two tunes do it, thats fine, it keeps the crowd guessing, almost teasing them, but when most do it, it's predictable, boring, but most of all, it's pointless. |
+ 1 on all counts.
That said, I'm guilty of similar transgressions - That I did because they were remixes of other people's work and that to embellish too much may have tampered with the original work past the tolerance of a remix.
With my own stuff, however, I try to make sure the build to the break and the break are pretty much a sonic riddle with the answer winding up as the re-launch. |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by G-Con
Richiev, i know exactly what you're talking about and I agree 100%.
Anthonyross, as someone who goes clubbing and has done for years, I think that your assesment that "it works in the clubs" is bull.
When I first heard tracks do this 5-6? years ago, it caught me by surprise, sounded refreshing and I liked it.
But years on, and now so many tracks do it, its predictable and in many cases decreases the energy level. When different elements build up during a breakdown, the peak of that energy build is the kick and bass dropping back in WITH the main elements from the breakdown.
When tracks, as many do now, drop back in with just the kick, bass, minimum percussion, maybe the odd stab combo, the energy level is brought DOWN from the climax of the break.
This is the case whether played in the club or not. If one or two tunes do it, thats fine, it keeps the crowd guessing, almost teasing them, but when most do it, it's predictable, boring, but most of all, it's pointless. |
i'm sorry i didn't know my opinion was 'bull'. clearly you know more than everyone on the topic, i'm sorry we even wasted your time. |
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