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| RichieV |
lol blue ball drops
that is the perfect description. Little sexist but funny as hell!"
I'm gonna blue ball you back to thusday" - Dj head |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
lmao what
the kind of music you're apparently mocking is modern uplifting trance, which virtually never has the minimal drops richie was talking about
you just seem like you're on a tirade about how trance "isn't what it used to be" when the fact of the matter is that there is plenty of good music being put out by modern musicians. there's probably more ty music than good but there's no reason to make the entire scene sound like it's turning to because of it. |
I think you're misunderstanding my sense of humor, that incorporates large portions of hypocritical irony, and it might help if you took a listen to "Suzanne's Theme" (click tape in signature, scroll down, player on right) which is, in essence, the very music I was "mocking". FWIW, I've listened to some of your tunes to get an idea of what you're speaking to when I read you.
And no - absolutely not do I have sentimental attachment to "the way things were, back in the old days." Really, I look on the 80's & 90's (with some notable exceptions) as rather dark days, musically. While I was truly touched by some of the music that came after that, to assume that I want to go back to everything I ever heard on every Global Underground CD that came out from its inception onward only builds a Straw-Man logical fallacy.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
You were doing so well until you said "retarded to it's pre 1993 condition". I ing wish music was back there either in terms of musicality or originality, even with the technical limitations of those days.
But I do completely agree with your other sentiments. |
Actually, the scope of our disagreement depends upon how you look at it. I agree that there was a lot of really good music coming out around then but for every one of the good songs, I heard at least 15 bad ones. "James Brown is Dead", and a fair portion of similar sounding Acid House = Bad. Depeche Mode selling out to grunge - BAD! House of Pain - "Jump Around" - uniquely awful, et al. Did they get a crowd to pop? Hell yes, but that's why I cited them, as well.
There is, on the other hand, Erasure's Circus, Seal, Peter Schilling, and numerous underground artists I'm too ignorant to know the names of.
Unfortunately, while there was plenty of good music for those who had access and patience, more often than not, labels were sending crap to DJ's. I had the misfortune of working in a club where the good stuff was over-looked in favor of radio-friendly-mind-rot. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
I think you're misunderstanding my sense of humor, that incorporates large portions of hypocritical irony, and it might help if you took a listen to "Suzanne's Theme" (click tape in signature, scroll down, player on right) which is, in essence, the very music I was "mocking". FWIW, I've listened to some of your tunes to get an idea of what you're speaking to when I read you. |
If it was meant to be humorous then sorry, you seemed pretty serious.
Also FWIW if you went off of my Soundclick page nothing there is even remotely new, but I don't see how it's relevant either way |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
If it was meant to be humorous then sorry, you seemed pretty serious.
Also FWIW if you went off of my Soundclick page nothing there is even remotely new, but I don't see how it's relevant either way |
[Insert unproductive rehashing of how Poster B's originally excerpted quote by poster A was taken out of its context, leading to Poster A's misunderstanding, here.]
I did go off your Soundclick page. Is there another place I can find your more recent work?
How it's relevant? Have you ever seen or had an argument where both parties are taking the same side on a topic but they don't know they are? Rhetorical question, really. My point is that when your information set is restricted to a single thread and you derive offense based solely on what was said in the thread, it seems a little short-sighted.
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
cool that makes sense and i understand what you're saying. I think song writing in dance music is really diverse, some of my favorite 'pop' type records are in the nu disco scene, i mean the chords, melodies etc are in so memorable. on the other hand some of my favorite club records don't have huge hooks, they just have a lot of groove and that's enough for some. A perfect example that explains where i'm coming from is based on one of my favorite records of last year. The track is musically, pretty complex and the arrangement isn't overly busy but i never get sick of it. Now i play that record nearly every time i DJ and it translates (on a Dynachord sound system) pretty well. When i first played that record i thought it would be the peak of my musical night, the reality is far simpler records translated way better and i get way more crowd response out of other records that i didn't think were nearly as "big". there's some disconnect that i don't know how to verbalize but i really do understand from a "club-friendly" type record why producers make certain decisions. i can't speak on the records you guys are talking about, i can just say that, for me, the epic builds and the stripped down drops aren't a cop-out. ok i'm done. |
This is almost meaningless. I think I've heard songs like it but unless I could actually hear the song he's talking about, I'm a little clueless. Fortunately, Mr. Ross has a myspace page and it's reasonable to think that the record he's expressing a reverence for has something to do with his influences as a producer.
Having heard Mr. Ross's meandering, drone of incessant drivel (Just kidding, Mr. Ross, I listened to all three tracks and while I found them to be minimalism they are, in the very least, very well done minimalism - The mixes were very nicely balanced - an art form in and of itself) I have a better understanding if not a respectful appreciation of what he's arguing for. He's not in favor of the "blue-ball-drop" as much as he is interested in tracks that create an atmospheric groove on the dance floor.
Honestly, I think there are places for both types of music - the stuff that focuses on keeping it in the pocket and is restricted to sonic characteristics shaping the form of the song & the stuff which pushes the envelope of intensity and when you think it's let you off the hook, becomes all-the-more unrelenting in its intensity before settling into the groove of the next song. What Mr. Ross's music, to his credit, does not do - even remotely - is lead the listener on to expect more. It is, quite plainly, what it is and is enjoyable in its own context. |
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| RichieV |
here is an example of the kind of form that doesn't suck
A new tune by Scot Project, a true master of EDM form and production
Global Code
The melody is in the main drop and it works perfectly. |
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| daeus |
| Its not just Trance its quite a few EDM styles like DnB and Garage. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
here is an example of the kind of form that doesn't suck
A new tune by Scot Project, a true master of EDM form and production
Global Code
The melody is in the main drop and it works perfectly. |
Def really good arrangement but lackluster in production quality as are most/all of his tracks. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
I know this - have seen it, been there, done that, all of it. But I will be damned if I sacrifice quality in order to make a buck. It's not because it's wrong, amoral, or even indecent to put out bad music. It's merely because it is boring. |
Bingo;) |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kthought
Arnej's live set @ asot 400 (Day 1 Wuppertal) had a great mix of blue ball drops, and momentous drops (sometimes both in the same track). This is one of my favorite sets in the last couple years... also because his set has a signature all its own.
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That would be because the set used solely his own productions. Seeing that he has a signature sound in his tracks it's quite obvious this would translate over when he plays a set using all of his own tracks.
It seems he is a producer that seems to dj on special occasions (like you referred to asot 400) |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
Def really good arrangement but lackluster in production quality as are most/all of his tracks. |
interesting. What don't you like about it ? I think alot of it has to do with arrangement. He used to be a hard trance producer , correction he pretty much invented the genre , so his production style tends to be a little esoteric in that it doesn't really fit in any genre. He takes elements from house trance hardstyle and I find his sound extremely classic and timeless. I really do enjoy how each of his tracks sound different but you definitely know it is his track. |
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| Aesthetic |
He's not the second coming of christ like you play him out to be mate sorry :)
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
interesting. What don't you like about it ? I think alot of it has to do with arrangement. He used to be a hard trance producer , correction he pretty much invented the genre , so his production style tends to be a little esoteric in that it doesn't really fit in any genre. He takes elements from house trance hardstyle and I find his sound extremely classic and timeless. I really do enjoy how each of his tracks sound different but you definitely know it is his track. |
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