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The 'pull yer finger out' track. (pg. 5)
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
+1 for BT, when I first found ESCM and This Binary Universe I didn't make a song for 4 months, it's amazing what he can do. |
He's scary good. |
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| Detuned |
| for those that are into BTs stuff check out Trifonic just recently discovered these guys, amazing stuff especially Parks On Fire(including the video) |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
He's scary good. |
He was - but nothing he's put out in recent years has had anywhere near the wow factor of the stuff he put out in the mid to late 90's.
Loving you more, IMA, Blue Skies, Flaming June, ESCM, Not over yet remixes, Dreaming, Fibonacci, Mercury, Run to you,.....all classics and a truly impressive resume, but when he started going experimental with DnB, breaks, while interesting, nothing close to the previous works. |
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| user19503 |
| actually i only think fibonacci sequence is good from BT. and Evolution mix of Dreaming. |
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| -FSP- |
| Every time I hear BT, Andy Moor, and Gareth Emery, I just want to quit producing. Those guys are crazy good. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
He was - but nothing he's put out in recent years has had anywhere near the wow factor of the stuff he put out in the mid to late 90's. |
Completely disagree, just from a musical standpoint the complexity of his tracks and the amount of apparent effort he's put into each one seems to have increased. Virtually all of This Binary Universe is staggeringly amazing.
Also, I just heard this, it pretty much makes me want to throw in the towel and never look back. I hate hearing tracks that are beyond a level that I know I'll ever reach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z54Z7UC1Ox4
God damnit, Blueman. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
Completely disagree, just from a musical standpoint the complexity of his tracks and the amount of apparent effort he's put into each one seems to have increased. Virtually all of This Binary Universe is staggeringly amazing.
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TBU is on a level beyond most modern music IMO. A true masterpiece. Everything in that album is musically and technically brilliant. It is the type of work that could easily be studied by students in 100 years.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
Also, I just heard this, it pretty much makes me want to throw in the towel and never look back. I hate hearing tracks that are beyond a level that I know I'll ever reach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z54Z7UC1Ox4
God damnit, Blueman. |
This, on the other hand, doesn't sound particularly innovative to me what so ever. I mean, the break is really pretty and he does a fine job creating that "uplifting" (or whatever) emotion in the break, but I don't see anything technically or even melodically complex in this track. Other than a very pretty break, it just sounds like bog-standard, generic trance. |
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| DJ RANN |
That's weird - when it first came out, I briefly scanned through TBU and it left me cold. From my limited listen, I kind of felt the passion and beauty had gone in place of technical excellence.
Hmmmmmm, maybe I need to give it a second shake.
Going to give it a proper listen tonight........ |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
I mean, the break is really pretty and he does a fine job creating that "uplifting" (or whatever) emotion in the break |
I wasn't trying to pass it along as an amazing example of technical musical complexity. I personally both love and produce uplifting trance and those kinds of breakdowns are the type I've always wished I could make myself.
I understand the sound is relatively generic but the break is undeniably gorgeous, I'd kill to be able to put together something like that. Everything else I think isn't beyond what I could eventually do, but I didn't mean to put it on the same pedestal I'd put TBU on.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
That's weird - when it first came out, I briefly scanned through TBU and it left me cold. From my limited listen, I kind of felt the passion and beauty had gone in place of technical excellence. |
Really, really listen to The Antikythera Mechanism, the section where the orchestra comes in is one of the most massive moments in any song I can think of.
Both the first and last songs are unbelievable too, Good Morning Kaia is a very emotional song.. Some of the more jazzy stuff was almost fatiguing to listen to at points, but it's still all very nicely put together. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
That's weird - when it first came out, I briefly scanned through TBU and it left me cold. From my limited listen, I kind of felt the passion and beauty had gone in place of technical excellence.
Hmmmmmm, maybe I need to give it a second shake.
Going to give it a proper listen tonight........ |
Yeah, it takes a couple of times to really sort of "get it". If you do, however, you might start to see how genius it really is. Try to listen to it on a good surround sound system if you can because while most producers are concerned with where things are placed on two speakers, he's panning all around the 5.1 soundscape. Crazy, crazy stuff. Combine that with the incredibly technical brilliance and the innovative use of traditional musical elements, and you'll start to see it.
I mean the whole album is very eclectic, there is no doubt, and I expected there to be a mixed response because BT has traditionally always managed to be as innovative as possible while still retaining "accessible" elements to avoid alienating the casual listener. However in this case, he decided to push the boundaries and take the listener outside their comfort zone. As a result, an album like this is sure to generate strong reactions in fans of his previous works because it is such a large deviation from his more "traditional" music.
His new album returns to the more familiar elements and actually returns a bit to his dance roots. He also manages to incorporate a lot of pop-rock type stuff which has met with more strong reaction, both good and bad. However, even the more accessible pieces still retain the signature BT sound and you'll immediately become familiar with each track within a few moments of listening, but might meet with some pleasant surprises along the way.
P.S. So not to get OT or anything, but I heard the new version of Spooky - Little Bullet today (another timeless classic), and all I can say is WOW! Charlie May is brilliant.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
I wasn't trying to pass it along as an amazing example of technical musical complexity. I personally both love and produce uplifting trance and those kinds of breakdowns are the type I've always wished I could make myself.
I understand the sound is relatively generic but the break is undeniably gorgeous, I'd kill to be able to put together something like that. Everything else I think isn't beyond what I could eventually do, but I didn't mean to put it on the same pedestal I'd put TBU on.
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Yeah, I wasn't insinuating that you were, I was actually complimenting the fact that I think you'll find it a lot easier to get to that point than it may seem right now wherever you may be in your productions. |
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| DJ RANN |
Hell yes, charlie may is a ing genius. I've been following his tracks religeously for over a decade.
I will give the TBU album a real chance this time. I really didn't listen to it properly, and nothing jumped out at me so I just forgot about it.
But hang on, it's surround? Did it come on a DVD, or is psuedo surround (decoder doing the work)?.
Most surround music pisses me off. I work in surround as my job and the novelty is completely gone - the technique, especailly when it comes to music does not impress me at all unless it REALLY fits the elements. You'd be surprised how much with score is really just in the front three channels. Even the LFE is mostly just for effect, and generated by a subharmoic synth from the original signal. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Hell yes, charlie may is a ing genius. I've been following his tracks religeously for over a decade.
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Yeah, Spooky is on the guest mix for the latest Transitions radio show. He plays it as the second to last track during his guest mix. It's so choice too. You immediately recognize the vocal sample, and the pad pattern carries it through most of the track while giving it a tech house type workover. However, in the middle of all of it, there are little tiny elements from the original that appear only once or twice. He doesn't over use them, but just gives you little teasers. So dope.
As with most of his stuff, its elegant without being overt. Subdued without being boring. Reminds me of the Pariah mix of Stage One, where the synth stab only gets used like 3 times in the track after the break. Just enough to keep you asking for more.
Check it out over at johndigweed.com. You'll have to fast forward to the almost end of the podcast, but the entire podcast is great as usual as well, so I recommend checking that out as well.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I will give the TBU album a real chance this time. I really didn't listen to it properly, and nothing jumped out at me so I just forgot about it.
But hang on, it's surround? Did it come on a DVD, or is psuedo surround (decoder doing the work)?.
Most surround music pisses me off. I work in surround as my job and the novelty is completely gone - the technique, especailly when it comes to music does not impress me at all unless it REALLY fits the elements. You'd be surprised how much with score is really just in the front three channels. Even the LFE is mostly just for effect, and generated by a subharmoic synth from the original signal. |
Yep the album comes with CD and DVD versions. Obviously the CD is only stereo, but the DVD is full on true surround. The cool thing is that he uses it sparingly. Not over using it crazily, but just enough so you know its there. Really, really cool. The DVD also has these synced visuals that go with the album, like little "films" for each track. He got a bunch of 3D guys to do individual "movies" for each track. Very cool. |
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