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Video: Police use excessive brutal force in Victoria's entertainment district (pg. 3)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by love_child
Well if he did nothing wrong he should have kept his cool and nothing would have happened. The minute you raise your voice or argue your on the wrong side. Always be courteous even if the cop is an because it will work in your favour in the long run. I have had numerious run ins with the law and I have to say have never had any issues with the police at all. |
that doesnt always work... and sometimes they will try to take advantage.
When the cops have harassed me, and i dont use that word lightly here, i have always been firm but classy.
Ive been asked for ID several times just for walking down the street.
"Do you have ID?"
"No i dont"
etc etc
A month ago i was surrounded by 8 bike cops who tried to intimidate me because i had some flyers in my hand (but not handing them out as that is against the law as of a couple years ago in our lovely bastion of free speech). I got out of that without a beating and without revealing my ID only because i know my rights and i stood firm. Although i was expecting it at any second to be honest.
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
exactly....cops just don't beat you down unless you do something to piss them off. Any time I've had dealings with police I have been polite and kept my cool and guess what???? never a single problem. The minute you disrespect an officer you should expect a full blown beat down. |
again not true....
ive seen people get beaten for walking down the street drunk and not realizing that a cop was calling them out... imagine walking down the street and suddenly being tackled from behind by 4 cops and thrown to the sidewalk. Of course the guy resisted because im pretty sure he didnt even realize that they were cops!
I could write a novel. I really could. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
that doesnt always work... and sometimes they will try to take advantage.
When the cops have harassed me, and i dont use that word lightly here, i have always been firm but classy.
Ive been asked for ID several times just for walking down the street.
"Do you have ID?"
"No i dont"
etc etc
A month ago i was surrounded by 8 bike cops who tried to intimidate me because i had some flyers in my hand (but not handing them out as that is against the law as of a couple years ago in our lovely bastion of free speech). I got out of that without a beating and without revealing my ID only because i know my rights and i stood firm. Although i was expecting it at any second to be honest.
ing pricks |
Knowing your rights and standing firm to a police officer can come off as being an ass to the cop. My thought has always been if I don't have anything to hide then why not just co-operate and be polite. If a cop asked for my ID when I was walking down the street I would just give it to them instead of playing the "I know my rights" card. That's just going to get you in trouble. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
again not true....
ive seen people get beaten for walking down the street drunk and not realizing that a cop was calling them out... imagine walking down the street and suddenly being tackled from behind by 4 cops and thrown to the sidewalk. Of course the guy resisted because im pretty sure he didnt even realize that they were cops!
I could write a novel. I really could. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Knowing your rights and standing firm to a police officer can come off as being an ass to the cop. My thought has always been if I don't have anything to hide then why not just co-operate and be polite. If a cop asked for my ID when I was walking down the street I would just give it to them instead of playing the "I know my rights" card. That's just going to get you in trouble. |
why should i? so they can track my movements? If im not doing anything wrong then why are they stopping me in the first place? In the case of the entertainment district i can tell you why. Intimidation... because their mandate is to scare everyone away from that area.
them... this isnt a police state.... yet
The cops down there are bullies, and thats it |
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| Jayx1 |
| BTW if getting a beat down is justified because u are walking down the street drunk and minding your own business, that is not a society i wish to be apart of. |
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| Jayx1 |
Ill just let you in on a little personal history here.
I have voluntarily been a witness to the crown twice. I have served jury duty. And ive never had a run in with the law.
However... in my experience with police over the years while working downtown, i have very little respect left for them. Their tactics are brutish to say the least. I do not have respect for abuse of authority and that includes asking random people for ID for no reason. And thats the least of what ive seen.
unprovoked beatings, cops littering and spitting, over the top nightclub raids, etc etc. How many times have i listened to them talk amongst each other and joke about someone they just smashed up and sent to the hospital? ing s
In my 15 years experience in the entertainment district, It used to be that cops would try to diffuse a situation before they resorted to violence. Now the cops are the ones that actually escalate things through violence. |
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| love_child |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
why should i? so they can track my movements? If im not doing anything wrong then why are they stopping me in the first place? In the case of the entertainment district i can tell you why. Intimidation... because their mandate is to scare everyone away from that area.
them... this isnt a police state.... yet
The cops down there are bullies, and thats it |
It is this exact attitude that will get you into trouble...you are literally asking for it here.
There is nothing wrong with police asking random strangers for ID. What if someone is prowling the streets on a attempted murder charge? How else would the police be able to locate him/her without these random checks? Its all part of a process and part of the bigger picture but sometimes the public takes this as harassment and tries to defend themselves using the rights card.
Why would you care about them tracking your movements? Do you have something to hide? Do they even care? (as long as its nothing wrong)
IMO just agree with the police...answer the few questions they have if any and be on your way rather then bumping heads because at the end of the day its an uphill battle. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by love_child
It is this exact attitude that will get you into trouble...you are literally asking for it here.
There is nothing wrong with police asking random strangers for ID. What if someone is prowling the streets on a attempted murder charge? How else would the police be able to locate him/her without these random checks? Its all part of a process and part of the bigger picture but sometimes the public takes this as harassment and tries to defend themselves using the rights card. |
if thats the case then they can say "we are doing an investigation and we need you to help us out". Obviously thats not what they were doing when they surrounded me barking "DO YOU HAVE A PERMIT?". And if they are seeking your help in an investigation, you are doing them a favour by helping them. So instead of being overbearing and intimidating, they can take some time out to ask you for your help. I have been approached like that before and I have helped out. Hence why i was witness to the crown twice for two very legitimate incidents.
These are very different situations i am describing here.
| quote: | | Why would you care about them tracking your movements? Do you have something to hide? Do they even care? (as long as its nothing wrong) |
aaahh the old "if you have nothing to hide why do u care?" argument. Thats all fine and dandy until the state decides that you have something to hide. Just working in the entertainment district has become a psuedocrime now. You are assuming that we can trust the state, police and entities as if they are infallible, incorruptable, flawless entities. They are not. Luckily we still have the charter that somewhat defends us from abuse. Not like when my cuban friends were stopped by the cops. Because there you answer the questions and hope u dont get taken away. We arent cuba.... yet.
| quote: | | IMO just agree with the police...answer the few questions they have if any and be on your way rather then bumping heads because at the end of the day its an uphill battle. |
no... imo know your rights. And if the cops have a legitimate reason to ask you questions, they have a duty to inform you of that fact. Otherwise its just intimidation. |
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| cmccann87 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
BTW if getting a beat down is justified because u are walking down the street drunk and minding your own business, that is not a society i wish to be apart of. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by love_child
Well those kicks hurt yeah but who knows what happened before the guy started filming. At the end of the day those kicks werent necessary and simply holding the guy down would have been sufficiant enough. |
IMO it doesn't really matter what happened before hand. Whether he was being mouthy or whatever, at that point in time he was being compliant and doing exactly what he was told (i.e. getting down on the ground and putting his hands behind his back). As you said, the kicks definitely weren't necessary. In fact, the guy sat down on his own and it doesn't appear necessary that the cop in black needed to push him down. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
IMO it doesn't really matter what happened before hand. Whether he was being mouthy or whatever, at that point in time he was being compliant and doing exactly what he was told (i.e. getting down on the ground and putting his hands behind his back). As you said, the kicks definitely weren't necessary. In fact, the guy sat down on his own and it doesn't appear necessary that the cop in black needed to push him down. |
windsor is even worse than toronto for police abuse. |
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