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Jehovas Witnesses (pg. 2)
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| woscar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
If you can't be witty, you need to be gritty. |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
a sign that says no solicitors. |
precisely. Last ones who i answered the door to, I pointed to the sign. They told me they weren't selling anything & I told them I wasn't buying their crap and to off because they disgusted me and I hoped they'd need a blood transfusion sometime so I could laugh at them, and that they were scum. they're around here every 3-4 weeks like clockwork and if I went knocking on their doors, t hey'd call it harassment, bunch of ****s. |
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| djnitride |
You know your religion has a problem when your punchline is along the lines of "if you are good, you will be rich"
Deep right there. |
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| Capitalizt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Hold on right there for a minute. Just because we don't share their beliefs, it's not right to say they're idiots either.
Some religious folks are actually pretty smart and, even if I can't agree with them on this matter, to say they're stupid is an act of stupidity itself  ;) |
If you're saying this, you obviously have no clue what they believe. Read up on it. |
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| Renzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
If you're saying this, you obviously have no clue what they believe. Read up on it. |
No. Lira is right. I've read and studied with them, and calling anyone an idiot for their religious beliefs is childish at best. |
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| Capitalizt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renzo
No. Lira is right. I've read and studied with them, and calling anyone an idiot for their religious beliefs is childish at best. |
http://mindfulconstruct.com/2009/06...tness-apostate/
| quote: | Limiting Beliefs from the Bible/Witnesses:
1) Jehovah’s Witnesses are the only ones who know God, he has shown them the truth about the world because they are honest and sincere and want to know truth.
2) Studying the Bible with the Witnesses is the only way to understand the full truth we need to know right now so that we can love and live forever.
3) The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses in New York are God’s channel of truth, like Moses was. They are full of love and truth.
4) I am on an evil course in life because I have left the Witnesses and disassociated myself.
5) Everyone who is not a Witness is knowingly or unknowingly under the devil’s control.
6) I should not trust myself.
7) Thinking independently from Jehovah/the Witnesses/the Bible is evil.
8) The devil is trying to mislead everyone into thinking independently and opposing the Witnesses so they will die when the end of the world comes soon.
9) People like me who accurately understood the truth as taught by the Witnesses but rejected it are even worse than those who never knew. I am an apostate.
10) Since I was the spiritual leader of the family, God will hold me responsible for stumbling them and leading them into apostasy.
11) I am a special target of the devil, now that I have left the Witnesses he will trick me into opposing all that is good and will lead me into suffering and destruction.
12) Alternatively, the devil will bless me with abundance and prosperity, but it will only be temporary and deep down I will still be an evil traitor.
13) If I practice hypnosis, evil spirit beings called demons will enter my mind and posses me. By doing so I am inviting great evil and harm into my life.
14) Only someone evil like me would undergo hypnosis to purposefully transform their beliefs after knowing the one and only truth about reality that I’ve known.
15) My evilness must be even greater than most others because of the depth to which I understood the truth. I was a teacher of the light, now I am in deep shadow.
16) All spiritual or religious belief systems besides the Witnesses’ belief system are special tools that the devil uses to mislead people and invite demons.
17) Those who celebrate Christmas and other holidays are under the devil’s control, since it prevents them from understanding the truth about Jesus and Jehovah.
18) Jehovah is the Creator and source of all life. The only way to know truth is to know him. The only way to know him is through Jesus. The only way to know either of them is through the Bible and the Witnesses’ lives and teachings.
19) The only way to know truth is also through the Holy Spirit. Only the Witnesses really have Holy Spirit, that is how they understand the Bible more fully.
20) I do not deserve to live because I am a sinner, that is why people die (they are too).
21) I should not be living for this world but for the New System, when everything will be perfect on the earth. Only perfection is good enough for life to be worth living.
22) God’s Kingdom, a heavenly government that will destroy all other governments soon, is the only solution to mankind’s problems.
23) Efforts to make the world better or to change the world now are futile. The world outside the Witnesses is a dark and evil place controlled by Satan.
24) Non-Witnesses cannot be trusted, they will betray me, they have no real loyalty, they do not know real love. We are deep in the time of the end in a loveless world.
25) The devil wants us to live for now instead of the New World that God will bring.
26) Going to college or making a lot of money is dangerous to my spiritual health.
27) Success in this world is dangerous to my spiritual health. The more I succeed in life outside the Witnesses, the more I am under the devil’s control.
28) Non-Witnesses are dangerous to my spiritual health.
29) Not going to Witness meetings or from door-to-door is dangerous to my spiritual health.
30) I am going to be responsible for the deaths of others when the world as we know it ends because I stopped preaching about the end of the world. I am heartless.
31) I have no future in this world because soon the world as we know it will end and I will die if I do not go back to the Witnesses.
32) The sincere Witnesses will live happily forever in the paradise without me.
33) Loving people do not leave the Witnesses. Only crazy and/or evil-minded people like me do.
34) Jehovah (God) will forgive me if I go back to the Witnesses. Then, and only then, will I be happy and truly satisfied in life.
35) The demons can drive people crazy when they leave the truth.
36) The only other explanation for my leaving the Witnesses, if I am not evil, is that I am crazy.
37) It is better for me to be locked in a mental institution and be crazy or die than to live successfully as a non-Witness. Then maybe I wouldn’t be evil after all.
38) I am a liar because I dedicated my life to do Jehovah’s will and work and now am purposefully not doing it.
39) I have taken the evil side. There are only two sides, Satan’s and Jehovah’s. Satan has convinced me to decide for myself what is right and wrong.
40) I am like Satan. All those like me who know of but reject Jehovah’s Universal Sovereignty and try to decide for themselves what is right and wrong are not loving.
41) I am a betrayer, just like Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus. I am betraying the loving God and his Son and all those who love them. Therefore I will be betrayed.
42) Only an unloving person like me would forsake the sacrifice Jehovah made through Jesus by opposing Jehovah’s work being done by Witnesses.
43) In a marriage, a man is the head of the household.
44) It is wrong to have sex with anyone, even if you love the person, unless you have a legal certificate of marriage.
45) Any sexuality of any kind outside of a legally recognized marriage, including masturbation, deserves the punishment of death for the unrepentant.
46) I deserve to die just by being born sinful and for overstepping the law of God after knowing the truth. The only way for me and other sinful humans to receive forgiveness and be happy forever is to pray to Jehovah through Jesus.
47) I will die at Armageddon because I have stopped praying for Jehovah’s forgiveness of my sins through Jesus. He is the only way to life and truth.
48) Even if I seem happy for a while living as a non-Witness, eventually if I am a loving person I will realize the truth that the Witnesses were right all along.
49) Deep down I know the truth — the Witnesses are always right on the main points.
50) I will never really be happy living as a non-Witness.
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| quote: | The Jehovah’s Witness organization is a cult — in that it:
* Censors all of its members’ reading material through the Watchtower Society.
* Prohibits its members to refer to any other media (including internet) or alternative scriptures for answers to important questions in life — even gain a better understanding of the Witness scriptures. This means no individual interpretation allowed.
* Prohibits member dissent from the orders of each Kingdom Hall’s network of Elders, which is why child abuse has been kept hush hush and has been rampant within the organization.
* Prohibits its members from interacting with non-Witnesses, beyond the extent of trying to convert them.
* Threatens its members with disavowment should they consort with non-Witnesses beyond the extent of trying to convert them (that includes any family members who have left are not a part of the organization).
* Threatens its members with Hell-sentences should they invoke disavowment (which is explained below) — and this is some serious brainwashing.
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If you're not one of them, they basically believe you are being controlled by Satan. Yeah..sounds like a perfectly reasonable group of people to me. |
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| Renzo |
Yeah, except that list is complete bull.
Listen, I don't agree with some of the things they do as a religion and I have my doubts which I've voiced to them, but you just linked a site which is named the 'dysfunctional beliefs of the Witnesses.' Biased is an understatement. |
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| Domesticated |
I wish I had Jehovahs witnesses knock on my door. I would love to with them. When they come back, do this:
Is God omnipotent?
Yes.
Then why hasn't he destroyed the devil?
[insert made-up rubbish here]
Okay, so if God is omnipotent, could he make a rock so heavy that he couldn't lift it?
Yes.
But if he couldn't lift it then he wouldn't be all-powerful, would he?
[insert more rubbish here]
Okay, if God is omnipotent, could he create a creature more powerful than himself?
[insert more rubbish here]
Okay, is God all-knowing?
Yes.
Does that mean that he knows the future?
Yes.
As he's omnipotent, does that mean that he can change his future mind?
Yes.
But if he has the ability to change his future mind, then he can't predict the future, can he?
et cetera. |
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| epicaricacy |
when they ring your doorbell at ungodly hours of the morning on the weekends...here is a little trick.
when they start talking about the watchtower...interrupt them, and scream, "watch this ing tower!", pull out your cock, flap it around and offer to donate some blood. |
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| djnitride |
my friend is talking the pamphlets to the shooting range, after that I am going to staple them up on my door as a warning to any future witnesses.
Problem solved, Texas style :D |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Hold on right there for a minute. Just because we don't share their beliefs, it's not right to say they're idiots either. |
That's true--we shouldn't rush to conclusions. They could be merely ignorant, or mentally ill! |
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| epicaricacy |
| no...people that ring doorbells at 8am on a sunday morning to try and force their beliefs on you are definitely idiots. |
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