1. Based his entire argument on motorists being the minority, when they are in fact the majority here (newsflash: Canada is not China or India).
And Canada's collective actions would have no effect on the rest of the world, either through contributing to the reduction in the use of fossil fuels or by the example it would set for other countries?
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Originally posted by DigiNut
2. Based the remainder of his argument on a strawman, expressing "agreement" with Jay that the government should restrict the rights of minorities, when everyone with two functioning brain cells knows that Jay is a hardcore libertarian and is against restricting the rights of anyone.
My agreement was with Jay's assertion that current government panders too much to the grievances of special interest groups, banning and regulating simply to please a marginal group of voters. As stated, we differ in our soloutions.
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Originally posted by DigiNut
3. Blames an accident (an oil spill) on each and every individual motor vehicle and driver, but not buses, trucks, naval fleets and aerial vehicles. Presumably it does include diesel engines though. The clue meter is reading zero.
As previously mentioned, that implication (and the entire thread) was intended to provoke response - it obviously worked. Everyone expects government and big business to change the world for them, few are willing to make a truly honest evaluation of their own habits of consumption to see if personal improvements are indeed feasible.
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Originally posted by DigiNut
PivotTechno, you are hereby nominated for Biggest Douche in the Universe.
Wow, coming from you that's...absolutely meaningless.
zoogla
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Originally posted by The Potter
Bravo, I have to commend you for gumption!
I can at least relate to the spirit of your argument, without ascertaining the veracity of the statistics that you use. Sentiments like yours may not be popular, as can be evidenced by the replies on here; however, if the kicking and screaming continues unabated, and people are not willing to at least make incremental changes in their habits, more radical and drastic adjustments may be in the offing in the future.
By the way, as with the moral underpinning about murder laws, my liberty should be regulated when my actions harm others. Criminal laws provide a deterrence against such injustices. Using an economics comparison that good ol' Milton Friedman should be proud of, it is necessary to internalise the negative externality/external cost arising from the individual's rational and utility-maximising/selfish actions, by making them personally responsible for the spillover effects, in terms of the costs imposed on others.
With regard to criminal acts, the only process by which the externality can enter the individual's decision set is through the government involvement and the imposition of a sanction, as an adequate capitalist/market-based solution has yet to be demonstrated; the same strategy should apply to addressing the moral issue of negative and harmful externalities that result from the consumption of fossil fuels, as once again, it is not possible to create market-centred solutions to deter people from impinging on the liberties of others.
lol alt
zoogla
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Originally posted by PivotTechno
By all means, keep splitting hairs as a way to defer personal accountability - it's what makes the world go 'round!
srsly, Moral Hazard, please stop with all the "math talk"!
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
richard raiban
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Originally posted by PivotTechno
You know, the more I think about it, the more I agree with Jayx1's assertion that government is paying far too much attention to the needs of a select few. Their constant bowing to the sniveling and complaining of special interest groups is ruining it for the rest of us and something needs to be done about it sooner than later.
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Originally posted by Jayx1
FAIL!
Nice try but you obviously dont understand my political perspective.
The government should butt out of peoples lives to ALLOW THEM TO MAKE CHOICES FOR THEMSELVES ON WHATS BEST FOR THEIR LIVES.
As a libertarian, i think that people should have the right to make their own decisions free of government interference. That means you should decide on your own whether riding a bike or driving a car is right for you and your belief system. And, you should not impose that ideal on others. You may express your opinion, but imposing it through regulation and bans is morally inept as far as im concerned.
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Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Epic fail...
LMAO!!!
zoogla
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Originally posted by PivotTechno
Wow, coming from you that's...absolutely meaningless.
Wow, for someone who joined TA two years you are clueless.
PivotTechno
Hey, as long as we're playing the grade-school hierarchy game, I've been DJing for over 25 years now, and posting on dance music related chats and message boards since the mid-1990s, so my guess is that I've been around considerably longer than the majority of you. Seriously though, what does any of this have to do with the price of tea in China?
Either way, you just keep on reaching for that rainbow...
zoogla
I think you misunderstood; my reference to join date was not to establish a pecking order. I was referring to the fact that DigiNut is well respected (okay maybe I respect him too :p) in this community for calling it like it is, so if he says you're a d-bag, chances are...
...you're a d-bag.
ps. now that you've established your age, I hope (a) you have the experience to recognize the sarcasm and facetiousness in some of the responses and (b) your age doesn't present a humour gap between you and others.
Skipper
lol @ thread title
VDub
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Originally posted by fayraree
I think you misunderstood; my reference to join date was not to establish a pecking order. I was referring to the fact that DigiNut is well respected (okay maybe I respect him too :p) in this community for calling it like it is, so if he says you're a d-bag, chances are...
...you're a d-bag.
ps. now that you've established your age, I hope (a) you have the experience to recognize the sarcasm and facetiousness in some of the responses and (b) your age doesn't present a humour gap between you and others.
This is one of the most retarded posts I've seen in a while...
I disagree with Pivot in this thread pretty much entirely but to call him a major insult like douchebag is douchebaggy in itself...
And I'll tell you something else...
There are A LOT of people who don't respect Digi when he's being a
pretentious prick (even though he's been a little better lately)...
DigiNut
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Originally posted by VDub
There are A LOT of people who don't respect Digi when he's being a
pretentious prick (even though he's been a little better lately)...
Lol, because I haven't been here much lately.
People can feel free to disrespect me if they want. I expect no less. Won't change what I say or do. Speaking of which...
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Originally posted by PivotTechno
As previously mentioned, that implication (and the entire thread) was intended to provoke response - it obviously worked. Everyone expects government and big business to change the world for them, few are willing to make a truly honest evaluation of their own habits of consumption to see if personal improvements are indeed feasible.
Ah, so people can "improve" themselves by conforming to your rules.
Yep, it's confirmed:
PivotTechno
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Originally posted by DigiNut
Ah, so people can "improve" themselves by conforming to your rules.
Yeah, because I'm just talking crazy talk. All of the environmental, ecological and economic reports circulating at the moment are just speculation and fear-mongering! We can carry on, business as usual and everything will be just fine!
These rules are not MY rules, they're ways of living that willfully go beyond the 3' diameter of me, myself and I, working toward the realisation that everything I do has repercussions, from where I spend my money (recycled wares, supporting ethical production and manufacturing), to my method of transportation (cycling) to the type of business I conduct (one that endeavours to assist, but does not take advantage of others). I don't have any particular political leanings and I don't belong to any religion or movement - these things just make sense to me. Can you honestly tell me that these notions don't seem at least moderately sensible to you, or are you going to ridicule and dismiss the lot? And yes, you can find any number of counter-arguments that deflect the issue without actually answering the question (how about "but that's not the point, the point is that people can do whatever the hell they want!"?), but all it amounts to is distraction from actually taking the time to look within for an honest answer.
The argument can be levied that everyone is simply doing their best. To one degree or another, all of us assume a certain amount of unaware activity in our day-to-day goings on. But when a large portion of that existence is cleaved out of unconscious habits garnered from one's parents - and this isn't your parents' world anymore, not by a longshot - you are far from "doing your best". On what has been scientifically verified as a finite planet with largely declining resources, and no wonderful announcement of breakthrough technology to save us all looming on the horizon, 6.8 billion people shouldn't expect to be able to live the same way that the 3.7 billion inhabitants did 40 years ago. Yet that's exactly what's going on - yes, it's huge issue in rapidly developing countries with large populations like China and India, but that's a poor excuse for not wanting to implement even a modicum of personal change that takes the entire planet into consideration.
If all that makes me a douchebag (hippie, nutcase, "thinks I'm so perfect", et al) then:
zoogla
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Originally posted by VDub
This is one of the most retarded posts I've seen in a while...
I disagree with Pivot in this thread pretty much entirely but to call him a major insult like douchebag is douchebaggy in itself...
And I'll tell you something else...
There are A LOT of people who don't respect Digi when he's being a
pretentious prick (even though he's been a little better lately)...
oh yeah? well you're a douchebag too now!
ps. Pivottable is being more of a pretentious prick than Digi, which is why Digi wins.
