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| PivotTechno |
You know, the more I think about it, the more I agree with Jayx1's assertion that government is paying far too much attention to the needs of a select few. Their constant bowing to the sniveling and complaining of special interest groups is ruining it for the rest of us and something needs to be done about it sooner than later.
With that in mind I think it's high time that government removes the majority of household motor vehicles from the road and leaves this particular minority (and car owners are a minority - less than 10% of the world's population owns a motorised vehicle) to figure out an alternate means to get around.
Thanks to the neverending needs of car owners, we now have another major spill in the Gulf of Mexico, one that is leaking 1000 barrels a day into the ocean and endangering a large wildlife reserve on the Louisiana coast. Time and time again, the needs of those few who constantly petition for their "right" (and regardless of what the books say, owning a car isn't a right, it's a privilege) to drive a car contribute to the degradation of the planet by both the industry that they fuel and their own selfish habits. This minority group of car owners can deflect ("yeah, but what about plastic bags and like that?"), distract ("I shouldn't have to give up my car, "they" need to come up with an alternate fuel source") and plead ignorance (" you , I'm not doing anything wrong!") until they're blue in the face, but their implication in this is undeniable.
So Jay, over time you've convinced me and I'm totally with you on this one - enough with trying to please everyone, we have to start taking a cold, hard looks at what's best for the greater good and stop pandering to a handful of whiners who think that they somehow deserve preferential treatment over everyone else, and are completely oblivious to the very real and obvious consequences of their actions.
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| ChemEnhanced |
| I'm all for anything that helps kill humans....the sooner we are all dead teh better off this world will be. |
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| Jayx1 |
FAIL!
Nice try but you obviously dont understand my political perspective.
The government should butt out of peoples lives to ALLOW THEM TO MAKE CHOICES FOR THEMSELVES ON WHATS BEST FOR THEIR LIVES.
As a libertarian, i think that people should have the right to make their own decisions free of government interference. That means you should decide on your own whether riding a bike or driving a car is right for you and your belief system. And, you should not impose that ideal on others. You may express your opinion, but imposing it through regulation and bans is morally inept as far as im concerned. |
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| VDub |
I'm curious as to how much of our crude is actually used by motor vehicles...
I'm sure a large among of it is used for heat and manufacturing....
I'd love to see that pie chart...
Because to blame household vehicles for an oil spill is preposterous... |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
FAIL!
Nice try but you obviously dont understand my political perspective.
The government should butt out of peoples lives to ALLOW THEM TO MAKE CHOICES FOR THEMSELVES ON WHATS BEST FOR THEIR LIVES.
As a libertarian, i think that people should have the right to make their own decisions free of government interference. That means you should decide on your own whether riding a bike or driving a car is right for you and your belief system. And, you should not impose that ideal on others. You may express your opinion, but imposing it through regulation and bans is morally inept as far as im concerned. |
Give me a ing break - you give the human race far too much credit. If history is any indication, what's supposedly best for most people's lives is "all for me, none for you".
It's all about responsibility, and in order for people to make responsible decisions, they need to be conscious of the impact that decision has on both themselves and the environment that surrounds them. Considering that the average person is so ridiculously self-centred that the only conscious consideration (if any, as far too many people act purely on unconscious impulse) is "how is this of benefit to me?", you'd have to pull off some pretty intensive education in order to bring people to realise the importance of thinking of the bigger picture when making supposedly small decisions.
And regulations and bans are only morally inept when they serve the needs of a select few, rather than taking a holistic approach that factors in both human and environment...and the reality of that is that the two are inseperable, and the more we continue with our selfish, self-serving ways, the more painfully obvious that's going to become.
So, responsible regulation for the win. If you really know what's best for your life (and the lives of those around you), you'll limit the use of your vehicle, finding healthier, alternate means to get around when it's not in use. |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
Because to blame household vehicles for an oil spill is preposterous... |
Really? You can't see any connection between the two?
This is exactly what I'm talking about. No one wants to give up their slice of the pie because, "it can't possibly be me that's doing anything wrong!" |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Give me a ing break - you give the human race far too much credit. If history is any indication, what's supposedly best for most people's lives is "all for me, none for you".
It's all about responsibility, and in order for people to make responsible decisions, they need to be conscious of the impact that decision has on both themselves and the environment that surrounds them. Considering that the average person is so ridiculously self-centred that the only conscious consideration (if any, as far too many people act purely on unconscious impulse) is "how is this of benefit to me?", you'd have to pull off some pretty intensive education in order to bring people to realise the importance of thinking of the bigger picture when making supposedly small decisions.
And regulations and bans are only morally inept when they serve the needs of a select few, rather than taking a holistic approach that factors in both human and environment...and the reality of that is that the two are inseperable, and the more we continue with our selfish, self-serving ways, the more painfully obvious that's going to become.
So, responsible regulation for the win. If you really know what's best for your life (and the lives of those around you), you'll limit the use of your vehicle, finding healthier, alternate means to get around when it's not in use. |
you hit the key point with the sentence i bolded.
we don't bother to try to educate, so we try to fix the society's problems with regulations and bans. the fail starts right from our education system of our children, and it continues to our adults
good education, and developing a sense of citizenship in our kids, and our society would be so much better off |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Give me a ing break - you give the human race far too much credit. If history is any indication, what's supposedly best for most people's lives is "all for me, none for you". |
you are right. I do. I am guilty of thinking that people have the right to decide their own destiny.
| quote: | | It's all about responsibility, and in order for people to make responsible decisions, they need to be conscious of the impact that decision has on both themselves and the environment that surrounds them. |
conscious is one thing, being imposed upon is another. I encourage people to be informed and to use that information to make decisions for themselves, even if these decisions are consider "wrong" by some others. By depriving people from making their own decisions, they become more and more dependent on relying on others to do it for them and actually removing their obligation to be responsible, thus having the opposite effect of your goal.
| quote: | | Considering that the average person is so ridiculously self-centred that the only conscious consideration (if any, as far too many people act purely on unconscious impulse) is "how is this of benefit to me?", you'd have to pull off some pretty intensive education in order to bring people to realise the importance of thinking of the bigger picture when making supposedly small decisions. |
ALL humans are greedy by nature. There is no doubt about it. So by imposing restrictions on their behaviour, all you do is drive it underground and concentrate power in the hands of a small few. So we have a choice, try to suppress it, or use greed to work for us.
| quote: | | And regulations and bans are only morally inept when they serve the needs of a select few, rather than taking a holistic approach that factors in both human and environment...and the reality of that is that the two are inseperable, and the more we continue with our selfish, self-serving ways, the more painfully obvious that's going to become. |
they are morally inept when it imposes someones belief system onto someone else. Im willing to bet you would be the first person to support a secular state based on EXACTLY the same arguements that i use, yet you have no problem imposing your own set of morals on the populace based on your own beliefs.
| quote: | | So, responsible regulation for the win. If you really know what's best for your life (and the lives of those around you), you'll limit the use of your vehicle, finding healthier, alternate means to get around when it's not in use. |
If you really know whats best for your life, you wont need the government or some "activist" to decide it for you. And whats right for one, might not be right for another ;) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Really? You can't see any connection between the two?
This is exactly what I'm talking about. No one wants to give up their slice of the pie because, "it can't possibly be me that's doing anything wrong!" |
So what are you doing to back up your position?
I really hope you live in an electricity free building and grow your own organics. |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
you hit the key point with the sentence i bolded.
we don't bother to try to educate, so we try to fix the society's problems with regulations and bans. the fail starts right from our education system of our children, and it continues to our adults
good education, and developing a sense of citizenship in our kids, and our society would be so much better off |
Then I guess Jayx1 isn't educated enough to understand how his car and attachment to convenience is negatively impacting the environment around him.
And Jay, your libertarianism is simply anarchy gussied up to sound more palatable. I sure hope you're prepared for when it actually does come around - your car won't be of much use to you then, fyi, but I'm quite sure you'll be able to smoke where and when you want. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Really? You can't see any connection between the two?
This is exactly what I'm talking about. No one wants to give up their slice of the pie because, "it can't possibly be me that's doing anything wrong!" |
No no no that's not what I said...
Just that I'm sure that getting rid of cars will not end our fossil fuel needs and oil spill risk... |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
You know, the more I think about it, the more I agree with Jayx1's assertion that government is paying far too much attention to the needs of a select few. Their constant bowing to the sniveling and complaining of special interest groups is ruining it for the rest of us and something needs to be done about it sooner than later.
With that in mind I think it's high time that government removes the majority of household motor vehicles from the road and leaves this particular minority (and car owners are a minority - less than 10% of the world's population owns a motorised vehicle) to figure out an alternate means to get around. |
Epic fail... The government only governs over their jurisdiction. 76.56% of Canadians own an automobile; subsequently, they are far and away the majority. |
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