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Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag T-Shirts (pg. 3)
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonSun
complete bull if you ask me. |
bandanas? multiple students?
come on, they were obviously trolling and wore an old navy american tshirt because its the only one they had. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Clearly, you're right. People do have the right to express themselves, in this country. However, the KKK can't just decide to have a rally or a march without letting local authorities know they plan to do so. They have to clear it, first, so the authorities can make arrangements for safety. |
haha... i see what you're saying but come on- the KKK is a known hate group who's goal/desire is the elimination of blacks/minorities. There's no hate crime in Americans wearing the American flag, regardless of what foreign country happens to have a holiday they want to celebrate. Arrangements should never have to be made by Americans to clear something like that. In fact, the assumption that Hispanic students will respond with violence when they feel disrespected is racist, and therefore solving the crisis by banishing the "offensive" shirts instead of letting students know that any violence will be severely punished is nothing short of cowardly caving to political correctness. I can't believe this is even an issue. I mean, who's country is this anyway? |
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| jonSun |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Clearly, you're right. People do have the right to express themselves, in this country. However, the KKK can't just decide to have a rally or a march without letting local authorities know they plan to do so. They have to clear it, first, so the authorities can make arrangements for safety. |
yes but the American flag isn't a symbol for hate. At least not in this country... yet. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
In fact, the assumption that Hispanic students will respond with violence when they feel disrespected is racist, |
That's a huge assumption without knowing the school and students yourself. I think it's logical to assume that the adminstration made a practical decision based on first hand knowledge of student behavior at that school, regardless of race. |
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| yukii |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
What seems to elude people in this incident is that everyone has the right to express themselves on every day of the year in America, and that "some people may be offended" is not a valid reason for censorship. The irony is that different people sporting different national colors/flags on the same day, regardless of holiday, WAS "celebrating diversity". Conforming to political correctness is why this is such a problem. What's next, banning the flag on Columbus Day to not offend Italian-Americans? This country is so ed. |
You have a point, you can celebrate your culture everyday of the week, why should 'Americans' be punished for wearing an american flag tshirt? However, put yourself in a foreigners perspective. You wouldn't think it's disrespectful if the day you celebrate a holiday from your country a select group of people, different from you, all just so happen to decide american flag shirts? :rolleyes: I mean c'mon, who gives a if they do it any other day and randomly, but if they're doing it on a specific day and as a group, you don't think they're trying to send out a message of some sort? I would be offended if I lived in Germany and on the 4th of July when I go to school with my american flag tshirt all the german kids wear their german flag shirts.. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
That's a huge assumption without knowing the school and students yourself. I think it's logical to assume that the adminstration made a practical decision based on first hand knowledge of student behavior at that school, regardless of race. |
I don't need to know the school. It's typical "soft racism".... administrators insultingly assumed that their Hispanic students would erupt in violence at the sight of an American flag, and the only way to prevent this is to cower at the presumptive violence and preemptively cave in to the mob's demands that American flags be banned from campus. The inmates are running the asylum because of PC horse. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I don't need to know the school. It's typical "soft racism".... administrators insultingly assumed that their Hispanic students would erupt in violence at the sight of an American flag, and the only way to prevent this is to cower at the presumptive violence and preemptively cave in to the mob's demands that American flags be banned from campus. The inmates are running the asylum because of PC horse. |
I am usually the first person to call racism, but I don't think you have enough information here. It's not even about race, btw it's national heritage.
Actually I think YOU are exposing yourself as a racist by assuming that there is something for administrators to assume.
You also don't know the background and history of the student perpetrators. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
haha... i see what you're saying but come on- the KKK is a known hate group who's goal/desire is the elimination of blacks/minorities. There's no hate crime in Americans wearing the American flag, regardless of what foreign country happens to have a holiday they want to celebrate. Arrangements should never have to be made by Americans to clear something like that. In fact, the assumption that Hispanic students will respond with violence when they feel disrespected is racist, and therefore solving the crisis by banishing the "offensive" shirts instead of letting students know that any violence will be severely punished is nothing short of cowardly caving to political correctness. I can't believe this is even an issue. I mean, who's country is this anyway? |
Actually, it's just a perversion - a play meant to have an appearance of one thing in order to disguise its reality. The reality is that it is racism. The disguise is patriotism. The tell is in the outright absence of polemical argument. If the polemical argument was there, then it would be obvious, but this is just like the behavior of the cab-drivers at Seattle's Airport, a while back, who refused service to customers because they had booze in their possession, who then insisted they were practicing freedom of religion. They weren't practicing freedom of religion. They were simply discriminating against non-Muslims. Again, with the noted absence of a polemical argument. |
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| Saint John |
Semi-off topic, but can someone please explain to me what all the hoopla is about the new Arizona law. Yes of course police are going to racially profile Mexicans, because Mexicans are the illegal aliens. If it was Indian people, then it obviously would be a lot different of a scenario. Back on point though, can someone please explain to me what the big deal is. Here is the way I see it.
Scenario A (American Citizen of Mexican decent)
Police (Obviously racially profiling): Excuse me can I see your drivers license or other documentation?
Persons in question: Yes, here you go.
Police: Okay sorry for the inconvenience. Have a nice day.
Scenario B (Illegal alien)
Police (Obviously racially profiling): Excuse me can I see your drivers license or other documentation?
Persons in question obviously doesn't have any documentation
They get deported.
Why are people trying to protect ILLEGAL citizens? They are ing illegal for gods sake. They live in our country, reaping our benefits, without paying taxes or anything. Get the out i say. |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| I hope the Mexican students wear Mexican flags on July 4. Eye for an eye. |
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| sensorium |
Cinco de mayo is a ridiculous American-led-holiday to begin with. Why some Mexican Americans decided to celebrate a battle is inexcusable. It was just a damn battle. Not only that, years later the French took over anyway kicking Mexico's butt in the same place.
I personally am ashamed of the new generation of Mexican Americans that are led to believe they are celebrating Mexico's independence. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Saint John
Why are people trying to protect ILLEGAL citizens? They are ing illegal for gods sake. They live in our country, reaping our benefits, without paying taxes or anything. Get the out i say. |
Firstly, it may be somewhat telling of a little cognitive dissonance you might be having when you use the word citizen to which you ascribe as illegitimate by calling them illegal, thus implying that even though they are illegal aliens, they have rights accorded a citizen.
Apart from that, however, the implication is that the law is racist because the aliens it targets are also members of an ethnicity to whom the law does not make an apparent distinction in its lack of consideration for the fourth amendment. |
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