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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Really Eric you've continually amazed me with your level of knowledge and how well you are able to explain this stuff to someone who's having a hard time (and kit too even though he has less patience with me lol). I thoroughly appreciate all your guys help.
And Kit: I want you to know that liberating feeling of knowing you are the only one responsible is NOT an easy thing for someone to come to terms with. Its like I'm in an oscillating phase how I blame myself, than blame Fruity and keep going back and forth.
The reason I blame Fruity (you obviously know because you've been around the block longer than me) is sometimes its hard when you geniunely don't see what you're doing wrong.. to see what you're doing wrong lol.
I'm assuming at this point that "knowing the basics" doesn't really get you far at all in music. I thought by years of practice, and familiarizing yourself enough with 1 sequencer, it would be possible to make somewhat professional trance overtime but the rate at which I'm improving is NOT a rate that is going to have me making the music I want anytime soon.
I am the type of person who geniunely loses his mind if he can't do something he's exausted so much energy into accomplishing. I got a degree in chem and will be getting my degree in pysch the end of August, and NEVER IN MY LIFE have I ever experienced something as difficult to master as music. Not even women are this difficult. And I think at this point I may need to get my technical side up to par. Theres nothing else I can think of doing. Its not music theory I need it has to be something technical that I'm missing, and I may need to start over from step 1 and do some serious reading. I see guys on this board who knows heaps and tons about technical , who are making better music than I am, so I don't think it can hurt in the end, and I don't know what else I really need to be learning at this point.
Thanks all for your help. |
Hah. I have no patience with anyone. But your general attitude has probably improved lately I think so I'm happy to help you out where I see you have a reasonable and specific question. Not questions like "My tracks don't sound like Sean Tyas and I've been producing for 18 months HALP!!!11!!"
I'm not saying that you should feel that liberated feeling, I'm just saying that if you keep up long enough you probably will. I've been making music in some form now for nearly 8 years, and I've gotten well over the GAS stage. Its something you stop caring about once you know your gear well enough to pull any sound you like out of any synth. You stop blaming the synths because you know that its all up to you. You play with enough gear that you realise it all basically sounds the same anyway, and most important sounds consist of one or two saw oscillator and a filter in some combination.
Its definately a good idea to find some experienced DJs or producers and send your tracks to them regularly for critque. Its how people improve a lot. Take their advice and go back over your track with a fine toothed comb. TA can fulfill that function to an extent, but its not as good as having one or two really knowledgable people who can help you out.
Another important element of developing as a producer, is that you stop trying to cram a million ideas into every track. You realise that most tracks are 80% atmosphere and 20 percent hooks. You don't want 15 different hooks. You stop working on the musical elements of a track a lot faster and work on the engineering elements for longer.
Eventually you will get to a point that your happy with. It won't be fast though and you have to be prepared to stick it out through the frustration. |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
I'm not saying that you should feel that liberated feeling, I'm just saying that if you keep up long enough you probably will. I've been making music in some form now for nearly 8 years, and I've gotten well over the GAS stage. Its something you stop caring about once you know your gear well enough to pull any sound you like out of any synth. You stop blaming the synths because you know that its all up to you. You play with enough gear that you realise it all basically sounds the same anyway, and most important sounds consist of one or two saw oscillator and a filter in some combination.
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Hah. I have no patience with anyone. But your general attitude has probably improved lately I think so I'm happy to help you out where I see you have a reasonable and specific question. Not questions like "My tracks don't sound like Sean Tyas and I've been producing for 18 months HALP!!!11!!"
I'm not saying that you should feel that liberated feeling, I'm just saying that if you keep up long enough you probably will. I've been making music in some form now for nearly 8 years, and I've gotten well over the GAS stage. Its something you stop caring about once you know your gear well enough to pull any sound you like out of any synth. You stop blaming the synths because you know that its all up to you. You play with enough gear that you realise it all basically sounds the same anyway, and most important sounds consist of one or two saw oscillator and a filter in some combination.
Its definately a good idea to find some experienced DJs or producers and send your tracks to them regularly for critque. Its how people improve a lot. Take their advice and go back over your track with a fine toothed comb. TA can fulfill that function to an extent, but its not as good as having one or two really knowledgable people who can help you out.
Another important element of developing as a producer, is that you stop trying to cram a million ideas into every track. You realise that most tracks are 80% atmosphere and 20 percent hooks. You don't want 15 different hooks. You stop working on the musical elements of a track a lot faster and work on the engineering elements for longer.
Eventually you will get to a point that your happy with. It won't be fast though and you have to be prepared to stick it out through the frustration. |
good post! |
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| daeus |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Yes you liked it?
Haha I wish. Those are just some reference tracks I use to compare my own with. His tracks are usually really tight and well produced imo. |
Keep reading Robby's nick as Robby Vox, thought he was making a comeback! |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
I watched the first version with FL in the background and immediately I was put off by it, just seeing Fruity I CAN'T TAKE SOUNDS SERIOUSLY. For some reason, FLs interface completely ruins my objective reasoning skills. |
I'm amazed anyone would actually admit to this level of ignorance, but at least to your credit you're aware of it. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
I'm amazed anyone would actually admit to this level of ignorance, but at least to your credit you're aware of it. |
Based on your history of devotion to FL and the staunch allies the Virus synth has, I'm going to have to consider getting both in-case I can re-wire FL through Sonar. Truthfully, I've heard a lot of good production come out of both Reason 4 and FL. I have Reason 3, currently, even though I can't use it with 64-bit Sonar.
Regardless, (and I'm not making fun of you) Fruity Loop developers would do well to put you on their pay-roll in their marketing department. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
I'm amazed anyone would actually admit to this level of ignorance, but at least to your credit you're aware of it. |
Umm... thanks..?
I didn't really see it as being "ignorant", maybe it is, but I think it has more to do with FL being my sequencer of choice than anything.
It was the same thing when I worked on Reason 2.5, actually worse tbo. Thinking about it more in depth the only thing that really made sense to me was this.
When you work on a sequencer over and over, day after day, you associate a very specific level of sound quality to that sequencer. And that level of sound quality is what you hear everyday you sit down and produce. Its YOUR OWN. Since I sucked terribly when I first started off on Reason, anytime I'd open other peoples tracks, I'd have the same kind of response where their tracks would sound worse just because they were using reason. All the faults I was use to picking out in my OWN tracks, I wound up magnifying and exagerating in other peoples work.
I think thats what it ultimately comes down to.
Ignorance to me has a lot to do with just not knowing. And this isn't something I don't know (like you ironically admitted after calling me ignorant, talk about an oxy ing moron). Its something I have to be aware of all the time just so I can AVOID it, and that doesn't always even work. But all I know is if I'm making an EFFORT to stop it, the last possible thing in the world I could be is "ignorant".
And if we're going to sit here and judge people we don't know a single ing thing about, I have a word you might like, its called "condescending". Now please leave me alone. You don't call someone ignorant who's clearly not, and you don't try to ease the insult by backing out the last minute with that lameass "to your credit" . As far as I'm concerned, that entire comment was just lame, uber duber super lame.
Heres a short lesson for yah:
ig·no·rant /ˈɪgnərənt/ Show Spelled[ig-ner-uhnt] Show IPA
–adjective
1. uninformed; unaware
Whats the word you used again right after ignorant? "Aware" (ie. the OPPOSITE of unaware aka the DEFINITION of ignorant)? So what am I? Ignorant or Aware? Make up your mind than please get back to me, I genuinely care what you think about me.
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| DJ Robby Rox |
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Regardless, (and I'm not making fun of you) Fruity Loop developers would do well to put you on their pay-roll in their marketing department. |
He would be fired in less than a week for being an overly judgemental condescending douchebag. Kinda like he was in this thread.
And I'm not making fun of him either. :stongue: |
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| Mad for Brad |
| You are quote the prose smith. Do you watch the Hills by chance ? |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
You are quote the prose smith. Do you watch the Hills by chance ? |
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| TranceLover007 |
I'm afraid that this is just a beginning - Damn it.
Cheers |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceLover007
I'm afraid that this is just a beginning - Damn it.
Cheers |
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Owein's right about the banter, in here. |
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