Originally posted by idoru
Because it's "earlier, purer forms" began on street corners, brothels, vaudeville shows and large concert halls. Not clubs.
That's debatable. The 20's were called the Jazz Age for a reason.
idoru
Then don't say "earlier, purer forms" if you're not going to talk about the "earlier, purer forms". It blew up thanks to speakeasies in the twenties, but that's not where it started.
wotyzoid
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Originally posted by idoru
Then don't say "earlier, purer forms" if you're not going to talk about the "earlier, purer forms". It blew up thanks to speakeasies in the twenties, but that's not where it started.
Yes, "earlier" was the wrong word to use. What I meant by purer is Jazz as we know it today is mainly associated with the 20's. Jazz has very obscure origins.
Just as I can argue that Chicago House is the purer form of House and not Disco or Post-Disco.
idoru
I can see making the case that Jazz was "meant for clubs", but I'll still disagree. I'd also take issue with it having obscure origins. While they're not necessarily as concrete as more modern day music, they're still somewhat cut and dry.
wotyzoid
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Originally posted by idoru
I can see making the case that Jazz was "meant for clubs", but I'll still disagree. I'd also take issue with it having obscure origins. While they're not necessarily as concrete as more modern day music, they're still somewhat cut and dry.
I know it all began around abolition, but from what I know it was all a big mix of post slavery music up until it was recognized as Jazz in the 20's. I'm only telling you what I know, you can tell me what you know.
idoru
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Originally posted by wotyzoid
I know it all began around abolition, but from what I know it was all a big mix of post slavery music up until it was recognized as Jazz in the 20's.
Its roots can be traced there, yes. Ragtime was first, and stemmed from aforementioned brothels and vaudeville shows and such, as these were the only jobs that African American musicians could really obtain. Over time it ended up progressing to Dixieland, still focusing on quite a bit of vaudeville shows but occasionally playing in concert halls. It remained along these lines until it took to the speakeasies in the twenties.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by Viber
What does it mean anyway? that its intended for clubs? cuz Jazz music grew in clubs didn't it?
It means the music is basically contemporary club music with some jazz influences. Drum 'n bass has existed for about 18 years, jazzy drum 'n bass for about 16 years. If you consider jazz is almost a century old, it's ludicrous to call drum 'n bass with a few rhodes and sax samples "the other half" of the genre.
Also:
1. Not all atmospheric drum 'n bass is jazzy.
2. Several jazzy drum 'n bass records have been pop hits.
3. I saw LTJ Bukem drop a set of jazzy atmospheric drum 'n bass in a club recently, and I assure you it wasn't mere "home listening" music.
Sunsnail
keep up the pretentiousness you two
wotyzoid
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Originally posted by idoru
Its roots can be traced there, yes. Ragtime was first, and stemmed from aforementioned brothels and vaudeville shows and such, as these were the only jobs that African American musicians could really obtain. Over time it ended up progressing to Dixieland, still focusing on quite a bit of vaudeville shows but occasionally playing in concert halls. It remained along these lines until it took to the speakeasies in the twenties.
I wasn't too far off, then.
stren
I like that Coltrane tune
Miles Davis is pretty sweet
Lira
On second thought, I don't think I want to be pretentious any more... this thread cleary outpretentiousned me and I didn't even have the chance to try :(
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Several jazzy drum 'n bass records have been pop hits.
Well, this had to be posted :D
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I saw LTJ Bukem drop a set of jazzy atmospheric drum 'n bass in a club recently, and I assure you it wasn't mere "home listening" music.
You lucky bastard :p
Viber
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It means the music is basically contemporary club music with some jazz influences. Drum 'n bass has existed for about 18 years, jazzy drum 'n bass for about 16 years. If you consider jazz is almost a century old, it's ludicrous to call drum 'n bass with a few rhodes and sax samples "the other half" of the genre.
I don't see the relevance of each genre birthday to this discussion and i don't see why are you dismissing the use of Jazz elements in Drum and Bass as "a few rhodes and sax samples".
And again both of these genres grew in clubs, Jazz music is played mainly in Jazz clubs if i'm not mistaken and im sure there are people who dance to Jazz music...it seems like you're trying to make D&B seem insignificant\ illegitimate **a clubbed up poppy entertainment that has no business combining with real music **.
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1. Not all atmospheric drum 'n bass is jazzy.
Of course.
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2. Several jazzy drum 'n bass records have been pop hits.
meh...maybe some...but not to the extant that you can call it "popped up".
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3. I saw LTJ Bukem drop a set of jazzy atmospheric drum 'n bass in a club recently, and I assure you it wasn't mere "home listening" music.
Whoa! ive been out of the loop, does that mean he sucks now?? did they invent Tech-Minimal Drum and Bass??!:nervous:
